11:59:50 RRSAgent has joined #wot 11:59:55 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-irc 11:59:57 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:00:01 chair: Koster 12:00:13 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster 12:00:20 present+ Josh_Thomas 12:00:48 regrets+ Michael_McCool 12:01:08 rrsagent, make log public 12:01:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:01:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:02:02 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:03:55 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:04:17 regrets+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:04:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:04:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:04:51 present+ Ege_Korkan 12:05:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:05:02 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:05:11 dezell has joined #wot 12:05:20 present+ David_Ezell 12:05:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:05:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:05:44 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#27_August_2025 12:07:11 scribenick: EgeKorkan 12:08:24 topic: guests and members 12:08:35 mk: no news here at the moment 12:08:38 matsuda has joined #wot 12:08:49 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:08:53 q+ 12:09:11 q+ 12:09:25 ack m 12:09:26 tm: mccool is worrying about his invited expert status 12:09:26 ack k 12:09:35 kaz: will be discussed in the chairs call 12:09:46 topic: Minutes 12:09:56 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html Aug-20 12:10:46 mk: any remarks? 12:11:34 mk: approved 12:11:50 subtopic: Discovery Minutes from April 22, 2024 12:11:57 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html Apr-22 Discovery minutes 12:12:00 ... the TF was suspended at that time 12:12:06 ... nothing else 12:12:20 i/20-wot-mi/subtopic: Main call minutes/ 12:12:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:12:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:12:40 mk: so we need to approve them right 12:12:44 ... any objections to publish? 12:13:04 s/guests and members/Guests and Members/ 12:13:04 subtopic: Security TF Minutes from April 22, 2024 12:13:17 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/22-wot-sec-minutes.html Apr-22 Security minutes 12:13:18 mk: resolution was to suspend the security TF 12:13:24 ... any objections? 12:13:54 ... approved 12:14:40 subtopic: Marketing Minutes of March 6, 2025 12:14:42 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-marketing-minutes.html Mar-6 Marketing minutes 12:14:46 q? 12:14:46 mk: any objections to publish? 12:14:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:14:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:14:59 mk: no remarks. Approved 12:15:46 dape has joined #wot 12:16:22 subtopic: UC TF MInutes from June 4, 2025 12:16:24 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-uc-minutes.html Jun-4 UC minutes 12:16:29 mk: any objections to the minutes 12:16:31 s/MInutes/Minutes/ 12:16:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:16:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:16:44 ... no remarks, approved 12:16:47 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:16:59 mk: any other minutes to approve? 12:17:06 q? 12:18:09 topic: Quick Items 12:18:11 q+ 12:18:45 q- 12:18:49 kaz: the profile discussion will be held as a separate meeting with PLH, chairs and editors 12:18:57 mk: ok thank you 12:19:59 q+ 12:21:04 topic: TPAC 12:21:06 q- 12:21:13 mk: we will do more of the work when people get back 12:21:27 i|we will|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_TPAC_2025_planning TPAC 2025 WoT wiki| 12:21:38 ... we have started collecting information on a separate wiki and github 12:21:59 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/plugfest/2025-tpac-kobe TPAC 2025 Plugfest GitHub page 12:22:03 ... should we have a call today? 12:23:17 de: where should we be in Kobe for that 12:23:22 mk: ok the call is cancelled 12:23:42 i/de:/kaz: no, don't think we need a call today./ 12:23:48 subtopic: Breakouts 12:23:59 q+ 12:24:04 s/where/when/ 12:24:30 i/mk:/kaz: we'll start the Plugfest on Sunday, so would be great you could arrive in Kobe on Saturday./ 12:24:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:24:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:24:42 q+ 12:24:55 mk: here is the information on how to create a breakout 12:25:04 ek: sebastian created an issue already for the demo 12:25:08 i/no, don/scribenick: kaz/ 12:25:19 i/when should/scribenick: EgeKorkan/ 12:25:31 i/we'll start/scribenick: kaz/ 12:25:49 i/ok/scribenick: EgeKorkan/ 12:25:51 q? 12:26:18 ack e 12:26:19 ack k 12:26:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:26:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:26:33 ek: we wanted to have the room for the whole day of the breakouts to have a demo in the afternoon 12:26:33 kaz: no replies yet from event team 12:27:11 i|we have started|subtopic: Plugfest| 12:27:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:27:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:27:47 topic: Schedule 12:27:52 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays and Cancellations 12:28:28 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:28:30 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:29:48 ek: i cannot make it the td call on wednesday 12:29:52 topic: Schedule 12:30:20 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/wg-schedule.md WG schedule 12:30:23 ek: I have made a PR for the binding templates 12:30:48 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1238 PR 1238 - Binding Templates Schedule 12:31:05 mk: here is the proposed schedule 12:31:10 q+ 12:32:24 mk: Should we merge it at all? 12:32:30 q+ 12:32:33 ack e 12:32:34 ack k 12:32:34 ek: depends on kaz and plh 12:32:54 kaz: let's merge and update when we know the decision 12:32:59 mk: any objections to merge? 12:33:31 mk: any updates needed? 12:34:02 ek: all below Binding Templates section is not up to date 12:34:57 q+ 12:35:01 ... also Scripting API is not there 12:35:20 mk: this is just an internal document for us to do planning 12:35:26 ack k 12:35:35 kaz: mccool said he wants it removed 12:37:16 topic: New Charter 12:37:31 mk: we are discussing basically ig and wg alignment 12:37:37 ... we have a draft charter now 12:37:44 kaz: let's skim through it 12:38:37 ... mission and motivation is the same 12:39:58 q+ 12:40:09 (kaz) explains which deliverables are there 12:41:31 kaz: timeline and document names should be updated among other stuff 12:43:53 ... I copied the timeline from the old charter and added new line for the new charter 12:44:57 mk: we should add our own policies as well. a link probably 12:44:59 kaz: yes 12:45:38 kaz: next work is thinking how to merge IG work with this charter for the WG 12:46:31 mk: that can change the structure 12:46:40 s/next work is thinking how to merge IG work with this charter for the WG/my question now is which way to go for the next step, (a) starting with improving the WG portions or (b) thinking about how to merge the IG work 12:47:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:47:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:48:16 q+ 12:48:20 ek: I don't agree with some parts of it. How should the discussion happen? 12:49:38 kaz: you can create issues on this but we cannot change the structure 12:49:44 s/topic: Schedule/topic: Publication schedule/ 12:49:50 ek: yes the structure is fine, I don't like the content where we promise too much 12:49:55 s/topic: Schedule/topic: Meeting schedule/ 12:49:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:49:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:50:26 mk: let's reserve a part of the agenda for it next week 12:50:40 topic: Use Cases Document 12:51:10 i|we are discu|->https://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-2025-draft.html Draft WoT WG Charter| 12:51:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:51:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:51:42 topic: Reusable Connections of the TD 12:51:54 q+ 12:51:56 mk: that feature seems to require another document 12:51:58 ack e 12:51:59 q+ 12:52:16 q? 12:52:24 ... it is not clear 12:53:00 kaz: I think it makes sense to have another deliverable for that. How to deal with it should be discussed in the new charter 12:53:22 mk: is it a runtime description 12:53:42 kaz: we need to think of the impact to the scripting api 12:53:55 s/api/api also/ 12:54:12 s/in the new charter/as part of the new charter discussion/ 12:54:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:54:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:54:46 q? 12:54:47 ack k 12:55:06 s/topic: Use Cases Document// 12:55:26 ek: I completely disagree with what is said now 12:55:41 ... there is no dependency to scripting api and it cannot be a separate document 12:56:06 s/impact to/relationship with and possible impact to/ 12:56:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:56:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:56:19 mk: ok we should have more discussion on that 12:56:42 s/think of/think about/ 12:56:44 ... and understand the dependency to the scripting api 12:56:52 s/api also/api, etc./ 12:56:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:56:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:57:05 ... the discussion can be in the TD calls as well 12:57:21 q+ 12:57:23 topic: Meetups 12:57:27 ack e 12:57:36 mk: no updates from most CGs 12:57:52 ... we have invited NGSI-LD folks to the smart cities IG 12:58:28 s/we have invited NGSI-LD folks to the smart cities IG/we'll invite the NGSI-LD folks to the Smart Cities IG/ 12:59:20 topic: Liaisons 12:59:39 q+ 12:59:42 mk: We should get an update from OPCF soon. The binding is about to be finalized 13:00:12 q? 13:00:21 q- 13:01:00 mk: for some of the rest, we should get update from Sebastian 13:01:05 topic: Policies 13:01:10 mk: no news so far 13:01:18 q+ 13:02:00 ack e 13:02:04 topic: TF Reports 13:02:20 i|for some|kaz: regarding NGSI-LD liaison, some discussion about their participation in Plugfest, but they're getting more interested in the Smart Cities IG as the liaison center for digital twins standards. So we'd like to invite them to the next IG meeting in September./ 13:02:25 ek: the TD, Binding Templates and the Bindings Registry will have a document freeze this Thursday 13:02:27 s|./|.| 13:02:39 i|kaz:|scribenick: kaz| 13:02:53 i|for some of|scribenick: EgeKorkan| 13:03:09 [adjourned] 13:03:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:03:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:00:07 TallTed has joined #wot 14:11:16 kaz has joined #wot 15:04:26 Zakim has left #wot 15:54:22 bigbluehat has joined #wot