11:55:29 RRSAgent has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 11:55:33 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-irc 11:55:44 meeting: WoT and NGSI-LD 12:00:24 jhierro has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 12:01:22 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Juanjo_Hierro, Franck_LE_GALL 12:01:27 present+ Rigo_Wenning 12:02:24 rigo has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 12:02:39 present+ 12:02:55 present+ Martin_Bauer 12:03:04 rrsagent, make log public 12:03:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:03:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:03:22 regrets+ Sebastian 12:03:35 regrets+ DaveRaggett 12:03:38 present+ Ken_Zangelin 12:03:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:03:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:08:12 present+ Michael_McCool 12:08:39 Martin has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 12:08:41 Franck has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 12:09:12 McCool has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 12:10:30 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WoT-NGSI-LD#August_26%2C_2025 12:10:34 topic: Logistics 12:10:45 mm: would like to talk about the next steps 12:11:21 ... as we discussed last time, Plugfest is a possibility 12:11:25 ... also use cases 12:11:45 ... your group could give input to the WoT use cases discussion 12:12:08 rrsagent, make log public 12:12:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:12:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:13:13 meetings reviewed 12:13:30 minutes of last meeting to be reviewed 12:14:02 i|meetings|topic: Minutes| 12:14:23 i|meetings|-> https://www.w3.org/2025/07/28-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html July-28| 12:14:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:14:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:14:33 q? 12:15:19 August 31st, Michael McCool leaves Intel and also participation in WoT 12:16:16 Michael Koster, as captured in last meeting minutes, will take over 12:17:24 Discussing now about plugfest in November 12:17:41 q+ 12:18:01 Joining remotely would require paying some participation fee but should be cheap 12:18:03 q- 12:19:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:19:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:19:57 i|would like to talk|scribenick: kaz| 12:20:01 Minutes of last meeting approved 12:20:07 i|meetings reviewed|scribenick: jhierro| 12:20:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:20:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:20:46 topic: TPAC 2025 12:20:55 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/venue.html TPAC 2025 venue 12:21:11 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/schedule.html TPAC 2025 schedule 12:21:37 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/registration.html TPAC 2025 registration 12:22:00 other option is to continue meeting series 12:22:27 ... Sebastian can only join once a month, not once a week 12:22:49 other option is F2F meetings. Easiest place in Munich 12:23:10 q+ 12:25:35 meeting options include Munich, Sophia Antipolis, Berlin 12:28:43 It has to be checked whether Repo ownership and so are resources where Michael Koster has right privileges on 12:32:10 q+ 12:32:36 q+ 12:32:46 Discussion about original goals of the liason 12:33:14 Rigo and Juanjo remind goal was to avoid fragmentations and try to come with a unique solution combining the best of WoT and NGSI-LD results 12:35:45 ack kaz 12:35:53 Purpose of liaison? 12:35:54 *** Capture opportunities for standards for digital twins... 12:35:54 *** Explore aligning the visions of NSGI-LD and WoT... 12:35:54 *** Avoid fragmentation... 12:35:55 *** Avoid unnecessary transformation, 12:35:55 *** Capture ambient semantics 12:35:55 *** Understand both without a large burden 12:35:56 *** Not sufficient that it's useful, needs to be carried by institutions 12:36:41 kaz: reminds about W3C Smart cities workshop, Interest Group about SC, had discussion about data formats and ontologies for smart city purposes 12:36:53 .. with smart ?? from JTC 1 12:37:14 ... my goal is to bring new ideas and challenges to that group 12:37:30 ... and also could join the plugfest 12:38:17 ... not suggesting we move this discussion to ISO, just also liaison target Smart cities IG, that itself has a liaison with ISO 12:39:01 q? 12:39:05 q+ 12:39:07 McCool: we are mostly talking bottom up, but also large scale top down, in smart cities information modelling. But this group is mostly on industrial modelling 12:39:14 ack McCool 12:39:42 ... NGSI_LD was interesting because of the FIWARE connection. This gives you more access 12:40:16 juanjo: FIWARE community perspective is also to work for other domains. Question about introducing actions is also cross domain 12:40:29 ... it is also an important industry 12:40:57 McCool: to engage with WoT, driven by Siemens, is really going into industrial space. 12:41:06 McCool mentions that continuing discussion within W3C Smart Cities Interest Group would be nice but one issue is that some of the relevant people within WoT to engage are more focused in industry (factories, etc) matter 12:41:37 ... seen a lot of discussion by various manufacturers. There are gaps about reasoning on this information, not only what the devices do 12:41:39 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 12:42:30 ... more engagement about industrial application is WoT. While higher level modeling would go rather SC IG 12:44:05 juanjo: who is active in SC IG and at the same time in the WoT? 12:44:17 kaz: M. Koster is the chair of the Smart cities IG (SC IG) 12:44:30 ... group is a liaison center 12:45:18 McCool: reaching out to groups that do AI. Lot of technical activities. Big interest in knowledge graphs for reasoning on conformance and security 12:45:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:45:56 i|other option is|scribenick: rigo| 12:45:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:46:09 ... device, wanna talk to it and that's it. If digital twins goes way beyond the scope of WoT. Have discussions happening in a group that is more higher level 12:46:35 q+ 12:46:37 s|o continue meeting series|scribenick: rigo| 12:46:38 q- 12:46:41 juanjo: we may imagine that the IG could be extended beyond smart cities 12:46:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:46:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:47:34 s|tscribenick: rigo|to continue meeting series| 12:48:05 McCool: focus, digital twins, wanted to narrow the focus to avoid boiling the ocean. Was done deliberately to narrow attention. But people need to consider discussing issues across domains. 12:48:17 q+ 12:48:49 kaz: group holds monthly meetings, next meeting will be subject to doodle poll. 12:48:50 ack m 12:49:15 Action: Kaz will send doodle poll for SC IG to this Group 12:49:22 ack k 12:49:34 s/Group/Group as well/ 12:49:54 McCool: suggested to pre-advertise this topic of wot & ngsi-ld to the IG 12:49:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:49:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:50:54 q+ 12:51:05 juanjo: we have worked in support of actions in NGSI-LD, make it compatible. Were ready to present some of the results. We are making good progress on that front. 12:51:17 ... maybe we can bring that progress to SC IG 12:51:30 McCool: where is the right venue for that discussion 12:51:37 i|other option is to continue meeting series|scribenick: rigo| 12:51:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:51:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:52:05 ... feedback for design, drill down use cases. Would good to warn SC IG to get good feedback 12:52:13 i|It has to be checked whether|scribenick: jhierro| 12:52:30 i|Purpose of liaison?|scribenick: McCool| 12:52:37 ... in general, the other topics, should be rather a seminar with a focus on one topic, not just an open Workshop 12:53:16 kaz: invite the ?? people and ask them about pain points, and what Web standards can do for them. 12:53:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:53:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:53:28 s/??/related SDO/ 12:53:49 i|kaz: reminds about W3C Smart cities workshop|scribenick: rigo| 12:53:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:53:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:54:05 McCool: not having regular meetings like this, but concentrated seminars with a fixed roadmap 12:54:05 q? 12:54:31 McCool: next meeting should be organized by M.Koster. Kaz should inform him 12:54:37 i|McCool mentions that continuing discussion|scribenick: jhierro| 12:54:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:54:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 12:54:56 ... invite people here to SC IG for them to see if it makes sense. 12:55:21 kaz: SC IG will publish Agenda in advance. We can invite you any time 12:56:11 i|juanjo: who is active in SC IG and at the same time|scribenick: rigo| 12:56:14 McCool: question: should we merge ngsi-ld mailing list into other things. Probably good idea to cross things 12:56:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:56:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/26-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 13:16:10 Martin has left #wot-ngsi-ld 14:45:02 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 14:46:54 EgeKorka_ has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 14:47:55 EgeKork__ has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:01:24 TallTed has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:20:13 Zakim has left #wot-ngsi-ld 15:56:28 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:57:34 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 16:42:14 kaz has joined #wot-ngsi-ld