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13:48:52 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:48:53 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:48:53 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/07/18-forms-minutes
13:49:03 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Aug/0000
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13:59:42 <Steven> Present: Steven, Erik, Alain
14:01:05 <Steven> Topic: Binding Expression Constraint
14:01:05 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Jul/0004
14:02:24 <Steven> Steven: Not too sure what to do about this term
14:03:37 <Steven> ... or even what is implied
14:04:54 <Steven> Steven: Do either of you dispatch an xforms-computer-error?
14:04:59 <Steven> Alain: I'd need to check
14:05:06 <Steven> Erik: I don;t think so
14:05:11 <Steven> s/;/'/
14:05:57 <Steven> Steven: It worries me that normative style text is being used in an informative section
14:08:24 <Steven> ... "This appendix gives an example of how a recalculate might be done. "
14:08:57 <Steven> Erik: THis problem has probably been there since 1.1
14:12:03 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:12:16 <Steven> Erik: We could lower-case it...
14:15:24 <Steven> Erik: Looking at <bind> we don't say anything about simple content for calculate and initial, and we should
14:16:00 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to check that @initial and @calculate only refer to simple content
14:20:54 <Steven> Steven: I'm tempted to lower-case it, so it doesn't look like a defined term, since it is non-normative anyway
14:21:22 <Steven> Steven: So resolved
14:21:32 <Steven> Topic: Error types
14:21:32 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Jul/0003
14:22:34 <Steven> My proposal is not to have an error-type for binding-errors at all
14:22:39 <Steven> Erik: Sure
14:22:46 <Steven> Alain: Yes
14:22:58 <Steven> Topic: <output mediatype=""/>
14:22:58 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0015
14:24:25 <Steven> Steven: What is it that we wish to achieve?
14:24:38 <Steven> ... It mentions image and HTML, we want SVG
14:24:55 <Steven> ... do we want to add wording that opens up other future possibilities?
14:26:10 <Steven> Alain: output is about textnodes, not about children
14:26:38 <Steven> Steven: You mean, if SVG is in an instance, could you use <output/> for that?
14:27:01 <Steven> Erik: XML could be either serialised text, or as an instance
14:27:16 <Steven> ... how can you handle both cases with <output/>
14:27:36 <Steven> ... would an implementation be allowed to distinguish
14:28:18 <Steven> ... you have to decide how to distinguish.
14:29:25 <Steven> ... Presumably, <output ref="node"/> that isn't base64, nor URI, but an SVG instance, you'd expect it to be used.
14:30:47 <Steven> Steven: Split it three ways? URI, Base64, otherwise use the nodes?
14:31:06 <Steven> Erik: If the nodes are compatible iwth the mediatype then use them
14:31:33 <Steven> s/"node"/"node" mediatype="..."/
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14:32:28 <Steven> s/iwth/with/
14:33:05 <Steven> Alain: for instance mathml
14:33:34 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to propose wording for the 3-way split for output @mediatype
14:33:52 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:34:27 <Steven> Steveen: I'm OK for next week, but the three after that I am at XML Summer School
14:34:47 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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