13:00:31 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 13:00:36 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-irc 13:00:38 meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2 13:01:32 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan 13:01:35 chair: Ege, Koster 13:02:46 Mizushima has joined #wot-td 13:03:23 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:03:35 rrsagent, make log public 13:03:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:03:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:05:09 mjk has joined #wot-td 13:06:25 janro has joined #wot-td 13:07:44 dape has joined #wot-td 13:08:24 scribenick: dape 13:09:32 present+ Daniel_Peintner, Jan_Romann 13:09:49 13:09:58 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#August_20%2C_21_2025 13:10:13 TOPIC: TD Optional Content Type 13:10:25 q+ 13:10:57 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2081 13:11:03 q- 13:11:59 JR: Added additional example about empty response 13:12:16 ... I went through the assertions as well 13:12:30 ... tried to align them 13:12:57 ... no need to make contentType optional on all levels 13:13:14 ... anyhow, change fixes original issue 13:13:22 s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2081|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2081 TD PR 2081 - Make contentType optional in ExpectedResponse and AdditionalExpectedResponse classes| 13:13:24 EK: I will look at it again 13:13:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:13:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:13:35 ... to make sure assertions are fine 13:13:39 q+ 13:13:55 q- 13:14:32 EK: one aspect is about default value 13:15:00 ... no requirement that response must contain contentType 13:15:25 ... it would be good to show in example that there is an input 13:15:36 ... in Example 37 13:16:16 JR: A second example could also be provided 13:16:34 ... would cover scenario we had in discovery spec 13:16:46 ... about no body/contentType 13:17:37 EK: Is there any other diff in the spec 13:17:48 JR: Yes, in the assertions 13:17:53 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/2081/fdc2239...JKRhb:48d6a2e.html#sec-response-usage diff - 5.3.4.2.2 Response-related Terms Usage 13:18:10 EK: I see 13:18:30 q? 13:18:53 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/JKRhb/wot-thing-description/pull/2081.html#sec-response-usage preview - 5.3.4.2.2 Response-related Terms Usage 13:18:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:18:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:19:11 ... looks good 13:19:19 q? 13:19:21 q+ 13:19:38 s/I see/I see. would be easier to check the Preview HTML than the diff./ 13:19:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:19:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:19:54 JR: I noticed that the same applies to additionalExpectedResponse 13:20:04 ... turn it into formal assertion 13:20:23 EK: I don't think it is needed, later sentence covers it 13:20:45 JR: Mhhh, maybe this assertion needs to change then 13:21:25 q+ 13:21:26 q? 13:21:29 ack j 13:21:30 q- 13:22:16 Kaz: If there are 2 sentences/assertions, we should clearly separate them 13:22:36 q+ 13:23:00 q- 13:23:08 q+ 13:23:10 EK: As a list? Yes... 13:23:12 ack k 13:23:27 Kaz: Correct, we should look at style 13:23:49 s/look at style/think about a better style as well/ 13:23:55 EK: Seems to be a ReSpec issue with not showing space between the 2 assertions 13:23:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:23:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:24:02 JR: I wanted to suggest the same 13:24:13 ... I can take a look 13:24:35 EK: Great, gets close being mergable 13:24:36 q? 13:24:39 ack j 13:24:56 TOPIC: Moving Arch Spec's Normative text 13:25:14 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2120 13:25:40 EK: Tomura-san started the work 13:25:59 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2120|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2120 TD Issue 2120 - Moving normative text from Architecture Specification about the TD features| 13:26:01 s/Tomura/Toumura/ 13:26:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:26:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html janro 13:26:19 T: Created script to take over assertions 13:26:45 s/T:/KT: 13:26:57 KT: Some assertions contradict 13:27:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:27:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:27:13 ... for example number 15 13:27:36 ... about "Form contexts and submission" 13:27:54 ... we need to analyze assertions step-by-step 13:28:56 EK: We need to look at conflicts 13:29:08 ... those assertions are dangerous 13:29:34 ... Toumura how do you want to move forward? 13:29:57 KT: We can use issue to comment on each assertion 13:30:19 q+ 13:30:24 ... if we reach consensus then we can move on 13:31:01 EK: Maybe we can edit issue instead of creating dedicated issue 13:31:22 ... for more complex ones we can turn them into a dedicated issue 13:31:51 ... the assertions already in TD we can remove/mark as such 13:32:07 Kaz: Thank you Toumura 13:32:23 ... given that there are 54 assertions 13:32:48 ... we might consider using separate MD file 13:33:02 ... to check difference and/or matching 13:33:15 ... creating 54 issues is not the right approach 13:33:21 EK: Makes sense! 13:34:25 ... I think we should create a new MD file 13:36:05 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/main/planning/work-items/other-documents-sync 13:36:10 q- 13:36:15 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/planning/work-items/other-documents-sync/arch.md 13:36:16 KT: will copy content over 13:37:39 TOPIC: Registry 13:37:58 https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/issues/22 13:38:06 SUBTOPIC: Registry before Registry Entry 13:38:11 s/https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/issues/22/ 13:38:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:38:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:38:55 EK: we discussed yesterday 13:39:32 i|we discuss|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/issues/22 Registry Issue 22 - Registry Entries before the Registry is finalized 13:39:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:39:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:39:41 ... talked to Nigel, BBC registry 13:40:02 ... moreover, I read about class 4 changes 13:40:09 s/Nigel, BBC registry/Nigel from BBC, the TTWG Chair, about their Registry/ 13:40:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:40:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:40:19 q? 13:40:27 ... I am a bit confused ... but it is possible in process document 13:40:42 SUBTOPIC: Reformat Document 13:40:44 https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/pull/17 13:40:47 q+ 13:41:07 EK: It is a big PR 13:41:22 ack k 13:41:50 i|SUBTOPIC:|kaz: we can ask PLH for advice based on our draft at some point :) 13:41:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:41:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:42:04 ... at the same time no real normative changes 13:42:06 i|some point|scribenick: kaz| 13:42:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:42:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:42:20 13:42:32 ... Mostly about section 6 13:42:33 i|It is a big|scribenick: dape| 13:42:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:42:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:42:59 ... concrete content/text is the same 13:43:07 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/pull/17|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/pull/17 Registry PR 17 - refactor: reformat document Section 6| 13:43:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:43:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:43:16 ... assertions have been added in ReSpec style 13:43:49 ... the diff shows lots of changes like changes in section and html 13:44:00 EK: Is there any meaning change? 13:44:05 DP: No, not really 13:44:40 ... it is mostly styling and HTML changes 13:45:18 EK: Preview diff shows that very nicely 13:45:29 ... any objections to merge? 13:45:33 q? 13:45:40 ... none -> merging 13:46:00 EK: Some iterative work needed to move on 13:46:12 SUBTOPIC: Registry Table 13:46:20 https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/pull/21 13:46:37 EK: Adds table where binding lives 13:47:04 ... I put a single placeholder entry 13:47:18 ... table is too big 13:48:15 q+ 13:48:36 q+ 13:49:13 DP: I think I would live with auto-size 13:49:28 JR: I would agree with Daniel 13:49:38 ... can consider splitting information in 2 tables 13:50:00 ... evaluate whether information can be grouped 13:50:07 ack dape 13:50:11 ack janro 13:50:23 EK: Okay, I will remove the 190% from the PR 13:50:37 ... splitting the content in table is difficult 13:50:52 ... but we could move some things in summary document 13:50:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:50:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:51:10 ... for example supported TD version .. or link 13:51:33 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/pull/21|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/pull/21 Registry 21 - Registry Table 13:51:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:51:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:51:42 q+ 13:52:17 Kaz: related to procedure definition 13:52:50 ... we need to clarify procedure 13:52:55 EK: Correct 13:53:04 ... not critical for the first version 13:53:36 ... we have an issue tracking the template 13:53:51 s/procedure/procedure as well, e.g., email discussion to be included into the HTML table or GitHub Issue template to be converted to the HTML table 13:53:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:53:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:54:28 ... fine by merging PR 21 13:54:35 q? 13:54:36 s/fine by merging PR 21/fine by merging PR 21? 13:54:39 ack k 13:54:48 ... no concerns -> merging 13:55:22 EK: Remaining issue is about issue template 13:55:38 ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/issues/12 13:55:46 q+ 13:56:16 DP: Issue that terms defined are not used in document 13:56:26 EK: Correct, we should fix that before publication 13:57:42 DP: Will have a look 13:58:11 ack dape 13:58:21 TOPIC: Binding 13:58:34 SUBTOPIC: PR 434 13:58:41 https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/434 13:59:04 EK: About retiring document 13:59:12 ... document looks very simple 13:59:28 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/434|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/434 Binding PR 434 - Retiring the main document| 13:59:30 ... abstract and SOTD which points to new location 14:00:07 ... we should look at abstract ... which speaks about "retired document" 14:00:18 q? 14:00:40 q+ 14:00:53 q+ 14:01:21 EK: should speak about "latest" document before retirement 14:01:27 Kaz: Publish this document? 14:01:32 ack dape 14:01:36 EK: Yes 14:01:39 Kaz: I agree 14:01:42 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1238 14:01:47 q- 14:02:04 EK: Created addition to schedule 14:02:31 Kaz: It might be clearesr 14:02:53 s/clearesr/clearer to use the term "DISCONTINUED" 14:03:13 s/DISCONTINUED"/DISCONTINUED". I can talk with PLH about that./ 14:03:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:03:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:03:39 q? 14:03:51 EK: Okay, let's wait for PLHs feedback 14:05:05 s/PLHs feedback/PLH's feedback about the terms./ 14:05:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:05:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:05:30 SUBTOPIC: PR 432 14:05:32 https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/432 14:05:41 EK: We looked at it last week 14:05:54 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/432|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/432 Binding PR 432 - Adapting to Registry and Binding Word Usage| 14:05:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:06:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:06:06 ... Koster gaive feedback 14:06:30 MK: I think document is fine now 14:07:10 EK: No more objections -> merging 14:07:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:07:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:08:02 [adjourned] 14:08:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:08:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz