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11:54:37 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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12:04:38 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Ben_Francis, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Josh_Thomas, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:04:56 <kaz> chair: Koster
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12:05:33 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
12:05:49 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:06:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minute
12:06:08 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
12:06:09 <kaz> s/rrsagent, draft minute//
12:06:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:06:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:07:08 <kaz> regrets+ David
12:07:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:07:16 <sebastian> topic: guests
12:07:21 <sebastian> no guests today
12:07:26 <sebastian> topic: minutes
12:07:49 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/08/06-wot-minutes.html Aug-6
12:08:39 <sebastian> MK: any comments?
12:09:06 <sebastian> ... or change requests?
12:09:27 <sebastian> there are no objections, minutes are apporved
12:09:37 <kaz> q+
12:09:38 <sebastian> s/apporved/approved
12:09:52 <sebastian> topic: Quick Items
12:10:39 <sebastian> MK: there is the open question about Profile if it can be published as Note or not
12:11:02 <sebastian> Kaz: received a message from PLH, lets move this to a seperate agenda item
12:11:12 <kaz> s/lets/let's/
12:11:24 <sebastian> MK: there are no other quick news
12:11:39 <sebastian> topic: Notices
12:11:59 <sebastian> MK: there are no other notices either
12:12:09 <sebastian> topic: TPAC planning
12:12:19 <sebastian> q+
12:12:31 <kaz> q- later
12:13:11 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
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12:13:30 <sebastian> SK: early bird registration will be over soon
12:14:46 <sebastian> Kaz: regarding the room for the breakout session, there is a question how lon would we need for the preperation and wrapping up
12:15:45 <kaz> i/early/subtopic: Registration/
12:16:00 <sebastian> SK: I think, 30min should be ok for wrapping up
12:16:31 <kaz> s/regarding/subtopic: Breakout room/
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12:16:50 <sebastian> MM: how does the registration work for remote participants?
12:17:38 <sebastian> Kaz: I can talk with the event team.
12:17:52 <kaz> s/I can/You should/
12:18:15 <sebastian> MM: is the breakout session also open for non members?
12:18:55 <sebastian> Kaz: who do you have in mind?
12:19:08 <sebastian> MM: Im thinking about the NGSI-LD people
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12:19:42 <kaz> i|how does|subtopic: Remote participation and invited guests|
12:19:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:19:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:19:57 <sebastian> SK: for the PlugFest there will be a seperate call after this call
12:20:09 <sebastian> q+
12:20:25 <kaz> q-
12:20:50 <kaz> s/Im /I'm /
12:20:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:20:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:21:09 <kaz> q+
12:21:14 <kaz> ack s
12:21:54 <sebastian> SK: started to have breakout proposal for our WoT Demos on Wednesday: https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/7
12:22:08 <kaz> q-
12:22:13 <sebastian> Kaz: we will start the discussion on the agenda details in September
12:22:29 <sebastian> topic: Schedule and Cancellations
12:22:56 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Schedule updates
12:23:02 <sebastian> MK: Sebastian will be on vacation from next week. McCool will be less available aftern end of August
12:23:10 <sebastian> s/aftern/after
12:23:57 <kaz> q?
12:24:19 <sebastian> <MK shows the publication schedule page of all deliveries>
12:24:32 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md
12:24:45 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/wg-schedule.md WG Schedule
12:25:03 <sebastian> MK: what is the status of the IG schedule
12:25:11 <sebastian> MM: its mainly use case topics
12:25:39 <kaz> i/what is/MM: would suggest we remove the section around "Discovery" given there is no TF at the moment.|
12:25:40 <sebastian> ... not completely on track, but we are making good progress
12:25:45 <kaz> s/.|//
12:25:47 <mjk> q?
12:25:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:25:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:26:00 <kaz> q+
12:26:28 <sebastian> ... there will be some another updates. Major missing is links forms
12:26:28 <kaz> i|what is the status|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/ig-schedule.md IG schedule|
12:26:30 <kaz> q?
12:27:46 <sebastian> MM: shall we publish a Note under the IG or should we wait?
12:28:30 <sebastian> Kaz: we need to clarify the updated charter and get this review beforehand
12:29:12 <sebastian> ... we need to update the IG schedule content, e.g., mid-August already passed
12:29:45 <sebastian> MM: I will discuss this in the next UC meeting
12:29:47 <kaz> q+
12:29:48 <benfrancis> q+
12:30:00 <sebastian> topic: New Charter
12:30:44 <sebastian> MK: where is the line input from the TD TF?
12:31:10 <kaz> i|where|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/wot-wg-2023.html current WoT WG Charter
12:31:25 <sebastian> Kaz: it could be useful to have a temporary HTML for further discussion based on the latest charter template
12:31:37 <kaz> s/temporary/template/
12:32:12 <kaz> q-
12:32:35 <sebastian> action: Kaz will create a template HTML for WoT WG charter
12:32:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:32:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:33:25 <sebastian> Ben: wondering about the Profile agenda item
12:33:27 <benfrancis> q-
12:33:32 <kaz> i/would suggest we re/scribenick: kaz/
12:33:46 <kaz> i/what is the status/scribenick: sebastian/
12:33:59 <sebastian> MM: this is part of the charter discussion
12:34:14 <sebastian> subtopic: Profile
12:34:18 <kaz> q+
12:34:35 <sebastian> Kaz: received response from PLH
12:36:11 <sebastian> ... even a discontinued draft allows to continue to work on Profile such as for Profile 2.0
12:36:16 <benfrancis> q+
12:36:22 <kaz> q-
12:36:48 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:37:08 <kaz> q+
12:37:57 <sebastian> ... there are difficulties with the legal counsel. we need to talk with all companies if we want to publish as Note.
12:38:54 <McCool> q+
12:39:26 <sebastian> Ben: i secured an EU grant to spend 6 month working on profiles and the grant is desinged to try and help move on with the standard to the next stage
12:39:44 <kaz> ack b
12:39:46 <kaz> ack k
12:40:23 <sebastian> ... I dont think the discontinued draft would be a sufficient outcome for the grant funding
12:40:48 <kaz> q+
12:40:56 <benfrancis> q+
12:40:56 <sebastian> Kaz: the final decission should be made by whole WG
12:41:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:42:34 <McCool> q+
12:43:36 <sebastian> Kaz: if we want to go directly to publish the 2.0 Profile we need still need to talk with PLH how to handle this. A solution can be to change the name.
12:44:25 <sebastian> MM: are there some rules how many changes can make to be a CR without having to have it be called a new thing?
12:46:11 <benfrancis> q+
12:46:29 <McCool> ack m
12:47:05 <sebastian> Ben: thanks MM for the proposal to go to a CR
12:48:02 <benfrancis> "A technical report should not switch away from the Recommendation Track without due consideration of the Patent Policy implications and approval of W3C’s legal counsel if the Working Group envisions a likelihood of returning to it later. "
12:48:08 <benfrancis> https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#switching-tracks
12:48:16 <sebastian> ... does the legal counsel needs to be involved when the we move back to TEC track?
12:48:31 <sebastian> s/TEC/REC
12:48:38 <sebastian> s/the/
12:49:41 <sebastian> Kaz: moving back to REC would be easier; vice versa is harder
12:50:18 <kaz> s/vice versa is harder/however, moving forward from REC Track to Note is already a big burden./
12:51:11 <mjk> q?
12:52:28 <EgeKorkan> q+
12:52:54 <sebastian> Ben: lets continue the discussion when we move on with the CR track
12:53:29 <kaz> s/if we want to publish as Note./if we want to publish as Note. I think there are 3 possible options, (1) updated WD, (2) CR or (3) changing to Note Track. The final decision should be made by the whole WG./
12:53:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:53:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:53:41 <sebastian> ... what if we split out all individual profiles to seperate documents, similar we have for bindings
12:54:02 <sebastian> q+
12:54:30 <sebastian> MK: this would be more cleaner
12:54:38 <kaz> s/lets/let's/
12:54:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:54:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:55:00 <kaz> s/subtopic: Profile/topic: Profile/
12:55:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:55:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:55:25 <sebastian> Ben: I think the bar is higher getting a CR than for a Note
12:55:25 <McCool> q+
12:55:53 <kaz> s/more cleaner/cleaner/
12:55:58 <McCool> ack m
12:56:23 <sebastian> MM: you don't need implementation experiences for everything
12:57:44 <sebastian> Kaz: if the group don't want the Continued Draft we can still use or choose CR or update
12:57:50 <benfrancis> q?
12:57:55 <kaz> ack k
12:57:56 <kaz> ack b
12:58:54 <sebastian> EK: the process document was updated, there is no PR phase at all anymore
12:59:52 <sebastian> ... regarding the splitting aspect, in the binding case it is speficied in the TD which is a normative way
13:00:07 <kaz> s/if the group don't want the/Please note that "Discontinued Draft" is the mechanism to show a spec is abandoned like we used to use Note for that purpose. If we don't want to use the mechanism of/
13:00:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:00:20 <kaz> q+
13:00:39 <kaz> s/PR phase/Proposed Recommendation/
13:00:51 <kaz> s/Recommendation/Recommendation phase/
13:00:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:01:04 <sebastian> SK: are the seperated documents notes or recs?
13:01:14 <sebastian> Ben: they are notes
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13:02:07 <sebastian> MM: PHL should know that Bens work is constrained on his grant.
13:02:15 <kaz> s/PHL/PLH/
13:03:31 <sebastian> Kaz: suggest to have a meeting together with PLH, Ben and chairs
13:03:40 <sebastian> SK: agree
13:03:46 <EgeKorkan> q+
13:04:28 <McCool> ntd
13:07:21 <mjk> q?
13:07:27 <kaz> ack e
13:07:30 <kaz> ack s
13:07:48 <kaz> ack ka
13:08:09 <kaz> s/ntd//
13:08:13 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:08:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:17:09 <kaz> agenda:https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#20_August_2025
13:17:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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