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14:51:48 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:52:04 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
14:52:16 <Fazio> chair: David Fazio
14:53:30 <Fazio> Agenda+ new Business
14:53:30 <Fazio> Agenda+ W3C Accessibility Maturity Model Publication Update
14:53:30 <Fazio> Agenda+ AI presentation debrief.
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14:57:25 <Fazio> present+
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15:05:24 <CharlesL> zakim, next item
15:05:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- new Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:06:01 <CharlesL> Fazio: New member: Jeff Adams (Welcome)
15:09:19 <CharlesL> ... Introductions of all the members in this TF.
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15:17:02 <CharlesL> JeffAdams-UN: Accessibility VP for Usable Net. work on 1. Organizing Educational Programs, and 2. Building sustainable accessibility programs, and the maturity model feeds into this perfectly. (I am also an Author / Pod caster) Wrote a book to help this audience to help them be accessible and be more inclusive.
15:20:01 <CharlesL> zakim, next item
15:20:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- W3C Accessibility Maturity Model Publication Update -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:20:21 <CharlesL> Fazio: Good news!  We are good to go!!
15:20:59 <CharlesL> ... messaging is ok, slight update and they will put out the announcement perhaps tomorrow.
15:22:01 <CharlesL> ... basically was some language for internationalization, but once the PR is pushed and merged we are good to go.
15:23:07 <CharlesL> ... Roy / Kevin will solve the remaining issues. Ralph was a contributor who currently isn't part of APA
15:23:50 <CharlesL> ... once this gets sent out everyone should push this far and wide to your groups for a wide review.
15:24:47 <CharlesL> Janina: asking for comments by Sept 30th. assuming no major issues, we should be able to move to APA Note in October well before TPAC in November.
15:25:24 <CharlesL> Sheri: Don't forget we may want to do some proof points for AI, which may be a 1.1
15:25:55 <CharlesL> ... discrimination or bias issues. This might be a TPAC topic.
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15:26:08 <CharlesL> ... I may not be going to TPAC.
15:26:10 <CharlesL> q+
15:28:01 <CharlesL> ... I can do the TPAC submission, I have a few areas where we need to add some Proofpoints.
15:28:25 <CharlesL> Janina: we want to give some advice on where / how to use AI.
15:28:39 <JeffAdams-UN> Here are the book details (hope this is the right place to put this). It's "Content for Everyone: A Practical Guide for Creative Entrepreneurs to Produce Accessible and Usable Web Content." It's available anywhere you buy books and in ebook, audiobook, paperback, and large print paperback. For a quick link, here it is on Amazon:
15:28:40 <JeffAdams-UN> https://amzn.to/4mRvPsG
15:28:50 <CharlesL> ... Resolution on this was last week.
15:29:05 <CharlesL> ... APA resolution will come after wide-review.
15:30:35 <CharlesL> ... APA voting on APA admin list. and can do +1 via email should be in October.  As long as there is no substantial objections we can publish the Maturity Note.
15:30:39 <CharlesL> ack me
15:32:15 <Fazio> Q?
15:32:24 <CharlesL> Charles: I will not be going to TPAC but will be there virtually.
15:32:30 <CharlesL> zakim, next item
15:32:30 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- AI presentation debrief. -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:32:49 <CharlesL> ack jkline
15:33:23 <CharlesL> jkline: Looks like an interesting tool to adapt. Didn't take the W3C's maturity.
15:34:44 <Fazio> q?
15:34:54 <JeffAdams-UN> q+
15:36:46 <CharlesL> Charles: We had most of the same dimensions and customized it for education use, terminology, glossary.
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15:37:49 <Fazio> ack JeffAdams-UN
15:37:51 <janina> present+
15:38:18 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:38:18 <Zakim> Present: Fazio, Neha, JeffAdams-UN, CharlesL, jkline, janina
15:38:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, CharlesL, Neha, JeffAdams-UN, gb, RRSAgent, Zakim, Fazio, alastairc, Roy_Ruoxi
15:38:36 <CharlesL> JeffAdams-UN: I work with our clients and seeing represented in this way.
15:39:04 <CharlesL> ... having it available for the organization themselves or for us UsabilityNet was great.
15:39:47 <CharlesL> ... extrapolating to larger organization and have it roll up in the organization and helped me see how this could be used.
15:40:31 <janina> q+
15:41:05 <CharlesL> jkline: I had a different expectation, it could be tweaked a little and refined to emulate feel more like the maturity model that was developed. would be this be a good base to development.
15:41:06 <Fazio> ack janina
15:41:19 <Fazio> sheri_b-h q+
15:41:32 <Fazio> q?
15:41:47 <CharlesL> Janina: Benetech's work was an adaptation of our work which is what we encourage companies do.
15:42:10 <CharlesL> ..., we talked about a forms front end of our model.
15:42:28 <CharlesL> ..., we are not working on Benetech's tools, this is not our expectation.
15:43:39 <CharlesL> Sheri: We don't have a functional spec of the tool, we thought we only have the resources to have a front end to the proofpoints now with AI we might be able to do something more customizable, like "Do you do business in Europe" and could adjust questions based on these answers.
15:44:10 <CharlesL> jkline: I think what was done was great just not what I was expecting.
15:44:22 <CharlesL> Janina: that will happen after we publish.
15:44:46 <CharlesL> Fazio: I was also expecting something different but was great to see what was possible and what Benetech did.
15:44:50 <CharlesL> q?
15:44:54 <janina> q?
15:47:44 <janina> q+
15:49:06 <CharlesL> janina: Research questions in Accessible to help w3c work what can we say in WAI for those in W3C to build better standards etc. People didn't understand so just picked inactive, having build it help and could be automated.
15:51:52 <CharlesL> ack janina
15:52:10 <JeffAdams-UN> I've got to drop a bit early as i'm in a webinar at the top of the hour. Thanks for the welcome today. I'm excited to be part of this group.
15:54:46 <CharlesL> jkline: I look at these maturity models to measure their own maturity, and people looking at buying a company's products may want to know what a company's a11y maturity is at. to compare.  Maybe a limit on customization...
15:55:09 <CharlesL> Fazio: we talked about this more normative maturity model can we make normative.
15:55:33 <CharlesL> Sheri: a differences list could be made.
15:55:59 <CharlesL> jkline: I was thinking of a percentage of customization...
15:56:25 <CharlesL> Fazio: we publish then we can look at these optimizations.
15:56:43 <CharlesL> rrsagent, make logs public
15:56:59 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:57:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-maturity-minutes.html CharlesL
15:57:27 <CharlesL> zakim, end meeting
15:57:27 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Neha, JeffAdams-UN, CharlesL, jkline, janina
15:57:29 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:57:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:57:35 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, CharlesL; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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