18:02:44 RRSAgent has joined #aria-apg 18:02:49 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/08/19-aria-apg-irc 18:02:49 RRSAgent, make logs Public 18:02:50 Meeting: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force 18:03:00 present+ jugglinmike 18:03:02 scribe+ jugglinmike 18:03:06 present+ arigilmore 18:03:08 present+ Adam_Page 18:03:09 present+ Jema 18:03:18 present+ Jemma 18:03:46 present+ BryanGaraventa 18:04:28 present+ Matt_King 18:05:04 Topic: Setup and Review Agenda 18:05:08 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/August-19%2C-2025-Agenda 18:05:16 Jem: Any requests for change to agenda? 18:05:28 CurtBellew has joined #aria-apg 18:05:31 present+ siri 18:05:34 present+ CurtBellew 18:05:59 Jem: Hearing none, we'll stick with the agenda as scheduled 18:06:05 Jem: Next meeting: August 26 18:06:06 howard-e has joined #aria-apg 18:06:15 Topic: Publication planning 18:06:18 present+ howard-e 18:06:36 Matt_King: Last week, we talked about setting September 3rd as our target. That's the Wednesday after Labor Day 18:06:54 Matt_King: We have two pull requests that are already merged and ready to go, and we have four more that are on the list for potential inclusion 18:07:04 Matt_King: I want to touch base on two of those which are just pending review 18:07:17 Matt_King: And we have Adam_Page's spin button change on the agenda 18:07:38 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3320 18:07:50 Matt_King: The first pending review is pull request #3320 (the pattern pages--adding a link to the "read this first" to the top") 18:08:12 Matt_King: We were awaiting a pull request to the "build" repository, and once that is confirmed good and ready-to-merge, then I would merge this one year 18:08:30 howard-e: That one hasn't been reviewed, yet, but it's been prioritized internally. I'm hoping it will be reviewed and merged later today 18:08:32 Matt_King: Got it 18:09:02 Matt_King: Then, the other pull request #3213 18:09:07 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3213 18:09:25 Matt_King: Jon believes the iOS problem has gone away 18:09:42 arigilmore: I tried it again. I updated my phone and cleared my cache, but I'm still seeing the same issue 18:09:52 Adam_Page: I haven't had a chance to check it out, yet, but I will 18:10:11 Matt_King: arigilmore, do you see the same problem on the production website? 18:10:35 arigilmore: On production, it came up normally. I tested again after updating and clearing my cache. I'm not sure what's going on 18:11:02 Matt_King: Maybe if either of you two reviewers have an opportunity to look at the actual code, feedback on potential causes of this bug would surely be helpful to Jon 18:11:19 Topic: PR 3354: Fix toolbar test failure 18:11:24 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3354#js-repo-pjax-container 18:11:39 Matt_King: This is howard-e's pull request 18:11:46 Matt_King: howard-e can you explain the change? 18:12:09 howard-e: Sure. This is for the toolbar. There's a set of options that it opens. Those options can then be clicked 18:12:23 howard-e: This is just a quick patch, but I think there's something more pressing, here. 18:12:44 howard-e: This patch works because closing the menu again before trying to open another option 18:13:10 howard-e: I'm not sure why it works this way. I stepped back through the Git history, and the behavior is present there, too 18:13:32 howard-e: I can't replicate this normally; it's behavior we observe in the test 18:13:50 Matt_King: If you go to the APG and go to the toolbar and click a menu item, does it actually close? 18:13:53 howard-e: Yes 18:14:04 Matt_King: Is it closing when you operate it with a keyboard in production? 18:14:13 howard-e: Yes, it is. I'm not sure what's happening 18:14:26 Matt_King: So in the headless browser environment, the menu appears to stay open 18:14:29 howard-e: Correct 18:14:48 howard-e: The change here just checks to see if the menu is open 18:15:16 Matt_King: So this right here is just a change to the regression test code, right 18:15:19 howard-e: Yes 18:15:37 howard-e: I want to leave the issue open, though, to investigate further why it is like this 18:16:24 Matt_King: Can we get a reviewer on this pull request? 18:16:31 Adam_Page: I'll do that! 18:16:36 Matt_King: Thank you, Adam_Page 18:18:11 Jem: In the issue, it says aria-checked, but the pattern talks about a button with aria-expanded 18:18:31 howard-e: There is a button that's controlling the menu. It has an "aria-expanded" attribute on it. 18:18:40 Matt_King: That's correct; it should have "aria-expanded" 18:19:13 howard-e: The test loops through the options when the option is opened, and it clicks on one. It expects that aria-expanded should be set to "false", and that doesn't happen 18:19:30 Jem: But the issue says "aria-checked" and not "aria-expanded" 18:19:45 howard-e: The assertion itself isn't compromised; it's the way to get to the assertion 18:19:58 Jem: So can we ignore the assertion about aria-checked? 18:20:04 howard-e: Yes, that's fine 18:20:44 Matt_King: howard-e is saying that the fundamental issue is that we should need this workaround. Something it preventing "aria-checked" from being set in the test environment (and outside the environment, it works appropriately) 18:20:47 siri has joined #aria-apg 18:20:50 howard-e: That's correct 18:21:11 Matt_King: Okay, yes. This workaround bugs me, so I support digging deeper 18:21:38 Matt_King: I guess we might want to remove this change later if we can figure out why we need it in the first place 18:21:40 howard-e: I agree 18:21:53 Matt_King: Okay, then I guess we want a comment in the code reminding ourselves to remove it in the future 18:21:55 howard-e: I can do that 18:22:04 howard-e: This week, I'm going to try to prioritize doing the research here 18:22:21 Matt_King: Great. This points to a potential problem in the test environment itself 18:22:27 Topic: PR 3328: Add Quantity Spin Button 18:22:33 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3328 18:22:40 Matt_King: We want to get reviewers assigned 18:22:47 Adam_Page: I've addressed the failing tests 18:23:04 Matt_King: I'm assigned as a reviewer, but we don't have anybody else looking at the code or the visual design 18:23:22 Adam_Page: howard-e just gave me a review, but it would be great to have more reviewers 18:23:32 arigilmore: I can do a review of the visual design 18:23:37 Adam_Page: Thanks, arigilmore 18:23:41 Jem: I've assigned arigilmore 18:23:50 siri: You can add me, too 18:24:03 Matt_King: Great. Siri, if you want to test it on mobile 18:24:11 siri: I will try to do it over the weekend 18:24:56 Adam_Page: I'm going on vacation starting Wednesday of next week, so if we want to have this ready for the next publication, then I will need review feedback by Tuesday 18:25:25 Jem: I'll add a link directly to the example 18:26:06 Topic: PR 3311: Add note about pointer activation and roving tabindex 18:26:12 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3311 18:26:38 Matt_King: This is a change to the keyboard section. Patrick submitted a pull request that's related to an issue he raised 18:26:54 can you add me as reveiwer to the 3328 bug? 18:26:56 Matt_King: This kind of gets at the changes that were made to the editor menu bar 18:27:44 Matt_King: I've added myself as a reviewer 18:28:39 Matt_King: I will be looking at it from the point of clarity. From an editorial standpoint: "is it saying what it says clearly?" 18:28:51 Matt_King: I'd like someone else to review and decide if it is saying what it needs to say 18:28:55 arigilmore: I can try to take a look 18:29:11 Matt_King: Okay, that would be helpful 18:29:18 Jem: I've assigned arigilmore 18:29:55 Topic: Issue 3353: Select-Only Combobox example: list popup not operable with arrows when Voice Over is on 18:30:02 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/3353 18:30:22 Jem: It was opened last week 18:30:58 Matt_King: Someone is getting different behavior in Chrome versus Safari 18:31:24 Matt_King: We need to figure out if this is related to browser or screen reader functionality? Or is it something to do with the select-only combobox code? 18:31:39 Matt_King: Is there anyone who's available to do some root-cause analysis 18:32:09 Adam_Page: I'm unable to reproduce this. I think it would be good to ask the reporter for the software versions in use 18:32:45 Matt_King: Could you add a comment, Adam_Page, with your versions? Both macOS and Chrome? 18:32:55 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/3353 18:32:57 Adam_Page: You bet. I'll also try it on a second macBook (since I have one handy) 18:33:01 Matt_King: Awesome! 18:33:24 Matt_King: I'm not going to label this, yet, because we don't know if it's a bug or not 18:33:59 Topic: PR 3304 : Removed timeout code for reseting search string in select only combobox 18:34:04 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3304 18:34:11 Matt_King: This is Jon's pull request, and it's a draft 18:34:17 Matt_King: I asked Jon some questions in a comment 18:35:00 Matt_King: I have a feeling that this is not a pull request to make a change 18:35:08 Matt_King: I suggest we skip this until we can discuss with Jon 18:44:14 Matt_King_ has joined #aria-apg 18:44:33 zakim, end the meeting 18:44:33 As of this point the attendees have been jugglinmike, arigilmore, Adam_Page, Jema, Jemma, BryanGaraventa, Matt_King, siri, CurtBellew, howard-e 18:44:36 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 18:44:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/19-aria-apg-minutes.html Zakim 18:44:44 I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 18:44:44 Zakim has left #aria-apg 18:45:59 RRSAgent, leave 18:45:59 I see no action items