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12:00:50 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), caribou
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12:01:06 <caribou> meeting: Data Shapes WG
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12:02:16 <caribou> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/blob/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-08-18.md
12:02:18 <agendabot> clear agenda
12:02:18 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion
12:02:18 <agendabot> agenda+ Process
12:02:43 <caribou> zakim, drop agendum 2
12:02:43 <Zakim> agendum 2, Process, dropped
12:02:53 <caribou> Chair: Nick
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12:03:45 <nicholascar> present+
12:03:49 <caribou> present+ Carine
12:03:50 <bergos> present+
12:03:51 <edmond> present+
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12:03:55 <HolgerK> present+
12:03:59 <ajnelson-nist> present+
12:04:00 <ieben> present+
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12:04:17 <elianaP> present+
12:04:24 <mgberg> present+
12:04:24 <edmond> invite zakim
12:04:33 <edmond> invite rssagent
12:04:40 <AndyS> present+
12:04:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/18-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:04:49 <edmond> Scribe: edmond
12:04:49 <edmond> Chair: nicholascar
12:05:03 <edmond> Topic: Phase 2 Subgroup Reports
12:06:43 <nicholascar> Profiling doc stub: https://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl12-profiling/
12:06:45 <TallTed> s/invite zakim//
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12:07:28 <edmond> ajnelson-nist: Linking to upstream SHACL, how it ties in with The Profiles Vocabulary, OWL
12:07:28 <edmond> nicholascar: Overview of SHACL profile now captured in profiles doc stub
12:07:28 <edmond> … profiles of SHACL (not simple) and profiling with SHACL (simple)
12:07:28 <edmond> … will write up the scope of these two sections in SHACL profiling
12:07:31 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/08/11-data-shapes-minutes.html
12:07:31 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/08/25-data-shapes-minutes.html
12:07:50 <TallTed> present+
12:07:52 <edmond> … moving meetings to Fridays instead of Thursdays
12:07:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/18-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:08:20 <ajnelson-nist> edmond : Correction - moving TO Thursdays FROM Fridays
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12:10:46 <edmond> AndyS: Providing an update to the Rules subgroup.
12:10:46 <edmond> … partial draft, looking at general rules rather than ad-hoc rules
12:10:46 <edmond> … may have an editors meeting, potentially a WG taskforce so it shows up in the calendar
12:11:08 <edmond> nicholascar: we should create taskforces for all of the subgroups
12:11:11 <TallTed> s/meetings to Fridays instead of Thursdays/meetings to Thursdays instead of Fridays/
12:11:28 <TallTed> s/edmond : Correction - moving TO Thursdays FROM Fridays//
12:12:10 <TallTed> +1 make these official task forces
12:12:10 <TallTed> +1 minutes highly desirable
12:13:02 <edmond> nicholascar: compact syntax subgroup organising meetings about now
12:13:09 <nicholascar> q?
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12:13:39 <edmond> Topic: Voting on Validation Report Issue #453
12:14:56 <edmond> bergos: the vote is still open till Wednesday
12:14:56 <edmond> … still some discussion on-going around the predicate
12:15:14 <edmond> … *around the predicate naming
12:15:42 <edmond> Topic: Total SHACL Namespaces
12:16:21 <edmond> AndyS: keep discussions and listing of namespaces in the issue for now and address them later
12:17:05 <edmond> nicholascar: Call for patents have now been sent
12:17:37 <AndyS> q+
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12:17:48 <nicholascar> ack AndyS
12:18:28 <edmond> AndyS: where are we for horizontal review prior to CR
12:18:28 <edmond> nicholascar: no progress yet - on me, elianaP and caribou
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12:18:58 <TallTed> q+
12:19:10 <edmond> caribou: is there an explainer?
12:19:20 <nicholascar> ack TallTed
12:19:23 <caribou> https://www.w3.org/TR/explainer-explainer/
12:19:43 <edmond> TallTed: no need to write an explainer, just point to the relevant sections
12:20:21 <edmond> nicholascar: question for HolgerK, your recent writings for SHACL 1.2 overviews in LinkedIn, are you willing to contribute to the overview docs?
12:21:16 <edmond> HolgerK: happy for nicholascar to pull parts out of the LinkedIn posts into the overview docs
12:21:16 <edmond> … a couple of things like constraint types missing in the article but should be mentioned too
12:23:40 <edmond> AndyS: is there coordination with the RDF WG? The SHACL docs will reference the normative sections.
12:23:40 <edmond> … RDF documents likely to be in CR for quite a long time
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12:26:28 <edmond> rssagent, make log world
12:26:49 <edmond> zakim, end meeting
12:26:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been nicholascar, Carine, bergos, edmond, HolgerK, ajnelson-nist, ieben, SimonW, YoucTagh, elianaP, mgberg, AndyS, TallTed
12:26:52 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:26:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/18-data-shapes-minutes.html Zakim
12:26:59 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, edmond; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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12:48:12 <RRSAgent> I see no action items