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13:36:35 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:36:42 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/3d8e05fe-09ac-4406-91ee-50e6ad47529d/20250814T150000/
13:36:42 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:36:42 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:36:42 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:36:44 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:36:46 <agendabot> agenda+ Review RADAR Review
13:36:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:36:51 <agendabot> agenda+ Follow up on TG2 and CSS Conversations
13:36:53 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:37:18 <addison> agenda+ Gap could be misunderstood as a literal typographic gap
13:37:39 <addison> agenda+ Add a JavaScript Internationalization article
13:37:47 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
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13:59:33 <addison> present+
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14:04:37 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:04:37 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:39 <addison> agenda?
14:04:52 <atsushi> scribe+
14:05:14 <xfq> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:05:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/14-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:05:21 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:21 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:32 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
14:05:43 <addison> #182
14:05:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/182 -> Action 182  respond to CSS, cancel existing call, propose ideas for future cooperation per today's telecon (on aphillips) due 2025-08-14
14:05:46 <xfq> present+ Fuqiao, Richard, JcK, atsushi
14:06:08 <atsushi> addison: responded to them, and cancel one for this month, will continue discussion
14:06:13 <addison> close #182
14:06:14 <gb> Closed -> issue #182 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/182
14:06:16 <addison> #181
14:06:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/181 -> Action 181  schedule topic to review server config articles/materials per 2025-08-07 call (on aphillips) due 2025-08-14
14:06:29 <addison> #171
14:06:30 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/171 -> Action 171 revise local-font-access to exclude localhost and talk more about opt-in model (on ZainabAq) due 2025-05-22
14:06:40 <addison> #157
14:06:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/157 -> Action 157  write glossary proposal identifying options and next steps for those options (on aphillips) due 2025-02-20
14:06:58 <atsushi> addison: close this one, #157
14:07:21 <addison> close #157
14:07:23 <gb> Closed -> issue #157 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/157
14:07:24 <atsushi> ... xfq, you made PR on this point, and in agenda point in sometime future (or this week)
14:07:32 <addison> agenda+ glossary structure with normative and non-normative
14:07:59 <addison> #151
14:08:02 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/151 -> Action 151 look into the line height of text containing emphasis marks, CSSWG issue # 11257 (on fantasai) due 2024-12-24
14:09:01 <addison> #135
14:09:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
14:09:10 <addison> #127
14:09:11 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127  make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
14:09:28 <atsushi> addison: done on this
14:09:32 <addison> #125
14:09:32 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/125 -> Action 125  propose creating a UTR for text-emphasis skip if we can get help with maintain (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
14:09:47 <atsushi> addison: 125, CSS action item
14:09:55 <addison> close #125
14:09:56 <gb> Closed -> issue #125 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/125
14:10:02 <addison> #33
14:10:02 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:10:05 <atsushi> ... will clean up and check potential next steps
14:10:15 <addison> #7
14:10:16 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:10:29 <addison> #4
14:10:29 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
14:10:40 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:10:40 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:11:22 <xfq> present+ Bert
14:12:13 <atsushi> JcK: [small voice
14:12:25 <atsushi> addison: long standing WHATWG tracking issues on these
14:12:52 <atsushi> ... WG is actioned to work on fixing email address one
14:13:05 <atsushi> ... surprised IETF was not aware
14:13:25 <atsushi> JcK: WG is concerned on that
14:13:48 <atsushi> ... particulally on @@@1
14:14:04 <r12a> q+
14:14:11 <addison> ack next
14:14:35 <r12a> Universal Acceptance Expert Working Group
14:14:37 <atsushi> r12a: joined @@@2
14:14:56 <atsushi> ... no idea on @@@3
14:15:59 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:15:59 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:16:07 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
14:16:16 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming
14:16:35 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:16:35 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:16:47 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
14:17:06 <atsushi> addison: did some clean up here
14:17:14 <addison> agenda?
14:17:25 <xfq> s/did some/need some
14:17:42 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/staff/
14:18:23 <atsushi> r12a: there is update on official titles
14:19:59 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:19:59 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Follow up on TG2 and CSS Conversations -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:20:14 <atsushi> addison: later today TG2 call
14:21:28 <atsushi> xfq: in their repo, they also can label issue as i18n
14:23:35 <addison> agenda?
14:23:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:23:50 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Gap could be misunderstood as a literal typographic gap -- taken up [from addison]
14:24:06 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/694
14:24:07 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/694 -> Issue 694 Gap could be misunderstood as a literal typographic gap (by YDX-2147483647)
14:24:26 <atsushi> xfq: basically issue 694, we have many gap analysis documents
14:24:40 <atsushi> ... there are los of typographic isses
14:26:32 <atsushi> addison: any disagremeent?
14:26:55 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:26:55 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Add a JavaScript Internationalization article -- taken up [from addison]
14:27:01 <xfq> s/there are los of typographic isses/could be misunderstood as a literal typographic gap/
14:27:15 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/blob/xfq/intl/articles/intl/index.en.md
14:28:01 <atsushi> xfq: above on JS intl point, r12a gave some comments
14:28:11 <atsushi> ... JS has intl object for i18n
14:28:48 <addison> q+
14:29:12 <addison> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Intl
14:29:13 <atsushi> ... listing features could be useful for others
14:29:27 <atsushi> ... MDN doc is also useful for developers, I've found
14:29:57 <addison> ack next
14:30:27 <atsushi> addison: posted URL of MDN start page for Intl object
14:30:50 <atsushi> ... best to summarise, or any good way
14:31:15 <atsushi> ... some document like how to use Intl object effective way for Web content
14:31:31 <atsushi> ... could be easy to list existing document as references
14:31:52 <atsushi> xfq: in MDN lots of information are listed as reference
14:32:04 <atsushi> addison: every single options are properly documented
14:34:03 <atsushi> xfq: on our point of view, we have lots of articles on Web applications creators, and internationalized web sites
14:34:32 <atsushi> ... this is on creating web sites, and Intl are oriented as guide
14:35:03 <atsushi> r12a: suggesting to @@@4 MDN documents
14:37:11 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/commit/e025bc41686cf2da46a6d8bb7db31f188bc94bf4#r163967615
14:37:47 <addison> agenda?
14:38:46 <atsushi> xfq: will continue working, and get comments possibly next week or some
14:39:22 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
14:39:22 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- glossary structure with normative and non-normative -- taken up [from addison]
14:39:48 <xfq> https://deploy-preview-84--i18n-glossary.netlify.app/
14:39:54 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/84
14:39:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/84 -> Pull Request 84 Divide the glossary by normativity (by xfq)
14:40:23 <atsushi> xfq: preview of PR on alpha version of separating glossary into normative and non-normative
14:40:40 <atsushi> ... based on what we want to transform document into
14:40:57 <atsushi> ... split terms into two sections
14:41:20 <atsushi> ... terms with entry in INFRA or some other places as normative
14:41:36 <atsushi> ... did not change any of definitions
14:41:53 <atsushi> ... removed alphabetic index
14:42:22 <atsushi> ... created two search boxes for convinience to put keywords for two sections
14:43:57 <atsushi> xfq: would include both terms and definitions, or I could include option to hide definitions
14:44:24 <atsushi> addison: without exact term in mind, you can find via keyword in definitions
14:45:44 <atsushi> addison: we should have higher level of conversation first
14:45:54 <atsushi> ... which term should fall into which
14:46:27 <atsushi> ... having two words list, harder to seek
14:46:56 <atsushi> ... currently division is not solid, like some normative definitions refers non-normative
14:49:20 <atsushi> xfq: granurality of normative section have some restriction on respec
14:49:41 <Bert> (I think I'd prefer a single list, and the normative terms flagged some way, maybe by giving them a border...)
14:49:51 <atsushi> addison: some non-normative definitions in whole normative document, with some note on divisions
14:51:20 <atsushi> ... we have to explain terms and definitions in non-normative as useful definitions
14:51:33 <atsushi> ... we actually want to use these terms in other our documents
14:53:45 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/#glossary
14:55:15 <xfq> it adds a <mark style="background-color: yellow; font-weight: bold;"> to the keyword
14:55:17 <atsushi> addison: we should think with collecting ideas for getting forward
14:55:35 <addison> agenda?
14:55:53 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:55:53 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:56:33 <atsushi> [none]
14:56:56 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:56:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/14-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:57:12 <addison> zakim, who is here?
14:57:12 <Zakim> Present: addison, Fuqiao, Richard, JcK, atsushi, Bert
14:57:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see atsushi, JcK, bigbluehat, addison, RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, eemeli, ChrisL, gb, csarven, jyasskin, agendabot, xfq, alastairc, koji, astearns, Rachael, cwilso, Bert
14:57:20 <addison> zakim, bye
14:57:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, Fuqiao, Richard, JcK, atsushi, Bert
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14:57:51 <xfq> s/disagremeent/disagreement/
14:58:02 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/14-i18n-minutes.html xfq