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11:36:49 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
11:37:01 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
11:37:08 <janina> Date 06 Aug 2025
11:37:28 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
11:37:28 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2025
11:37:28 <janina> agenda+ New charters
11:37:28 <janina> agenda+ New on TR
11:37:28 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
11:37:30 <janina> agenda+ [Comment review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
11:37:33 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
11:37:35 <janina> agenda+ Other business
11:37:38 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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12:13:54 <janina> agenda?
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14:03:09 <Roy_Ruoxi> present+
14:03:10 <matatk> agenda?
14:04:34 <Fredrik> scribe: Fredrik
14:04:48 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:04:48 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:05:03 <Fredrik> matatk: A few things somewhat drumrollable.
14:05:27 <Fredrik> matatk: A certifiably quite cool rechartering of APA has preceeded this meeting. Whoop woop!
14:06:54 <Fredrik> matatk: We are racing ahead as unusual.
14:08:00 <Fredrik> janina: I am pleased beyond gobsmackment that the charter sailed through without the slightest squeak of concern or opposition. That is a tribute to Matthew's getting our horiyontal review work better organized, the development, and so forth. Kudos to each and everyone!
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14:10:42 <Fredrik> matatk: An update on the horizontal review: we have a11y-request as a repo on Github where official review requests go (we don't use those ones until we're really sure we want to post things, also not for the results of the review because of a new system coming up) - most request threads most ofus aren't going to touch...
14:11:15 <Fredrik> janina: There are ticks that have to be set in teh horizontal review, and they are processed through these types of Github repos.
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14:12:52 <Fredrik> matatk: THe other type of thing that we need to track is the rvarious discussion threads cropping up on any kind of repo on Github where peoplemight say "we need some a11y input on this" for instance. In those instances they attach a label to their thread and we get told about it. We used to get told about it through a11y-review.
14:13:42 <Fredrik> matatk: That side is to track where we have been brought in to comment or where we want to comment.
14:14:08 <Fredrik> matatk: Said repo was a11y-review but is now a11y-tracking.
14:15:38 <Fredrik> matatk: There is also a repo that Roy has set up to track the a11y of a spec through its entire life, called a11y-longitudinal-tracking.
14:16:30 <matatk> q?
14:16:32 <Fredrik> matatk: Any confusion on the repos should be reasonably mitigated by redirects on Github.
14:18:15 <Fredrik> matatk: Finally, a reminder that Lola Odelola is giving a talk on the 20th of August (in two weeks) which will be very interesting. It will bridge the gap betweeen the baseline featured set that is highly marketed safe-to-use borwser features for web developers and assistive technologies. Lola will come and describe that work and we will have a
14:18:15 <Fredrik> discussion about it.
14:18:27 <janina> regrets: Dr_Keith, Paul
14:18:54 <Fredrik> matatk: Look in the APA calendar for links to the project information - there are links aplenty.
14:18:54 <matatk> q?
14:19:02 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:19:02 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2025 -- taken up [from janina]
14:19:15 <janina> q+
14:19:27 <Fredrik> matatk: Just a reminder that the fudn for applying for support if you are an IE closes this week.
14:19:50 <Fredrik> matatk: You can register for TPAC already.
14:19:56 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/
14:20:15 <matatk> ack janina
14:20:56 <Fredrik> janina: I'm having trouble with the informational data relating to the hotel and transportation that the W3C is pointing us to. Thsi matters gereatly for my getting my submission for funding support in on time and in correct shape.
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14:21:58 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/venue.html
14:22:19 <steveF> present+
14:22:27 <Fredrik> matatk: There is a very helpful team, with an e-mail address on teh botom of each TPAC page, who may be able to assist in rather many of the issues here. The team can resolve most things and are really on it.
14:22:31 <JenStrickland> Here's the URL to apply for funding: https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/registration.html#funds
14:22:51 <Fredrik> matatk: Scheduling: I'm working with the scheduling team on some new planning.
14:23:02 <Fredrik> matatk: There is alos a place to propose breakout sessions now.
14:23:14 <matatk> Breakouts: https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/breakouts.html
14:24:09 <matatk> q?
14:24:17 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:24:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New charters -- taken up [from janina]
14:24:34 <Fredrik> Roy_Ruoxi: Nothing.
14:24:38 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:24:38 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:24:39 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:24:39 <Zakim> 4. New on TR [from janina]
14:24:41 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:24:41 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New on TR -- taken up [from janina]
14:24:59 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/blog/2025/vision-for-w3c-a-manifesto-for-our-operations-and-decision-making/
14:25:40 <Fredrik> matatk: The Vision for the W3C has been published as a W3C statement. The AC voted in support of this. This is the highest level of maturity in the statement track, by the way.
14:26:26 <Fredrik> matatk: When you get to statement, it means that the whole of the W3C is behind this work.
14:26:41 <Fredrik> matatk: It is rather a short document, maybe even shorter than the blog post announcing it.
14:27:19 <matatk> q?
14:27:26 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:27:26 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:27:57 <matatk> subtopic: IMSC Text Profile 1.3
14:27:59 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/116
14:29:59 <Fredrik> matatk: THere's jst a pign on it. Some assignemtns to it were gotten last week. Just a reminder that they asked for ther review to be completed until 16 September (the changes are really small, see the comment or in the changelog in the document).
14:30:31 <matatk> Reminder of horizontal review process: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Horizontal_Review#For_Specifications_2
14:30:49 <matatk> q?
14:31:49 <matatk> subtopic: CSS UI 4 - interestfor et al
14:31:52 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/118
14:32:38 <Fredrik> matatk: It's about hwo the  UI stuff is rendered.
14:33:29 <janina> scribe+
14:33:59 <janina> matatk: Specifically about new properties; that's the specific ask for APA
14:34:11 <janina> matatk: Notes the Explainer that accompanies this pub
14:34:37 <janina> matatk: On popovers and how the interaction works
14:34:45 <janina> matatk: In part this is from the Open UI project
14:35:20 <janina> matatk: Interest attribute -- standardizing what has been introduced ad hoc by devs
14:35:40 <janina> matatk: Common example is hover over a github issue that provides info on that issue
14:36:11 <janina> matatk: One can avoid actually opening the issue because the popover provides info you need in so many instances
14:36:36 <janina> matatk: TAG had a conversation on this and a positive outcome
14:37:03 <janina> matatk: Notes, Mat, Paul, and Dr Keith assigned
14:37:10 <matatk> q?
14:37:26 <janina> zakim, next item
14:37:27 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [Comment review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:37:47 <janina> matatk: WebNN
14:37:50 <matatk> subtopic: WebNN Accessibility Considerations
14:37:52 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/244
14:38:43 <janina> matatk: We've discussed ... Response looks good to me
14:39:10 <matatk> I left some comments: https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webnn/pull/869#issuecomment-3028394047
14:39:48 <janina> matatk: They're waiting -- actually not sure
14:40:49 <janina> janina: Doesn't appear it's to us for some action/step?
14:40:54 <janina> matatk: No.
14:41:07 <matatk> q?
14:41:24 <janina> matatk: Nice to see they created a PR for it
14:41:48 <matatk> subtopic: Anchor positioning advice
14:41:48 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/230
14:42:20 <janina> matatk: Notes Neha has added example and updated
14:42:35 <janina> matatk: Thanks! We should try it out
14:43:14 <janina> matatk: Good progress!
14:43:49 <matatk> subtopic: CSS Carousels
14:43:50 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/242
14:44:15 <janina> matatk: Have been of interest to mmany incl TAG
14:44:31 <janina> matatk: Not an element
14:45:14 <janina> matatk: attributes some of which may be of concern ...
14:45:17 <janina> matatk: Inert is one
14:45:34 <janina> matatk: Scrollmarkers another
14:46:02 <janina> matatk: Seems an over-reach in the case of Scroll markers
14:46:23 <janina> matatk: Would be nice to have a declarative approach
14:47:00 <janina> matatk: Tab Atkins has proposed Cascading Attribute Sheets as declarative response
14:47:00 <janina> matatk: seems neet
14:47:03 <janina> s/neet/neat/
14:47:41 <janina> matatk: We'll see and we'll track, of course
14:48:20 <janina> matatk: TAG is working on a comment trackable on this issue; probably this week
14:49:30 <matatk> Info on Cascading Attribute Sheets: https://gist.github.com/tabatkins/4074abaf486af5b3f7ac289737e216e4
14:49:58 <janina> JenStrickland: Wondering whether we're imposing too much on the user
14:50:11 <janina> JenStrickland: That devs will unintentionally introduce a11y barriers
14:51:05 <janina> matatk: God point of deterministic -- Could be a disadvantage
14:51:39 <janina> matatk: The concern about inadvertent is exactly why we didn't care for Inert
14:52:13 <janina> matatk: Think the Cascading attribu can help because you have to actually write it
14:52:44 <janina> matatk: Also notes this repo:
14:53:02 <matatk> Gaps in the web platform: https://github.com/w3ctag/gaps
14:53:20 <janina> matatk: It's super interesting stuff!
14:53:43 <matatk> q?
14:55:08 <janina> topic: TPAC Support due Friday
14:55:13 <janina> matatk: Two kinds:
14:55:21 <janina> matatk: IE qualify for TPAC fee waiver
14:55:35 <janina> matatk: Other relates to travel expenses
14:55:50 <janina> matatk: Can always ping support team for any concerns!
14:56:46 <janina> zakim, end meeting
14:56:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, JonCohn, JenStrickland, tsaulter, Fredrik, matatk, Roy_Ruoxi, Demelza, chiace, Neha, steveF
14:56:48 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:56:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/06-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:56:56 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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14:57:03 <janina> rrsagent, bye
14:57:03 <RRSAgent> I see no action items