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12:01:59 <TallTed> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/blob/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-08-04.md
12:02:01 <TallTed> meeting: Data Shapes Working Group
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12:02:07 <agendabot> clear agenda
12:02:07 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion
12:02:07 <agendabot> agenda+ Process
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12:03:09 <TallTed> chair: nicholascar
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12:04:15 <elianaP> topic: Overview document
12:04:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/04-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:04:27 <nicholascar> Link to doc: https://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl12-overview/
12:05:06 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/07-28-data-shapes-minutes.html
12:05:06 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/08/11-data-shapes-minutes.html
12:05:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/04-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:05:42 <elianaP> Nick: First draft of the overview document introducing SHACL and versions, what's new in 1.2 (work in progress), governance, is ready
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12:05:59 <elianaP> ...let's think about what else we would like to add, PRs/issues welcome
12:06:24 <elianaP> ...This will likely just be a note, not a normative rec.
12:07:41 <elianaP> ...New and possibly controversial: At the end of the SHACL-SHACL annex, we are pointing to a newly created SHACL-resources repo. Need to check if this is alright.
12:07:58 <nicholascar> q?
12:08:01 <ajnelson-nist> q+
12:08:08 <nicholascar> ack ajnelson-nist
12:09:20 <elianaP> Alex: It may be better at some point to move parts of SHACL-SHACL out of the general overview and into a separate document to keep this balanced.
12:10:03 <elianaP> Nick: SHACL-SHACL validate each part of the spec separately. This might connect to SHACL profiling.
12:10:08 <nicholascar> q?
12:10:13 <TallTed> i/First draft of the overview/scribe: elianaP
12:10:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/04-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:10:32 <elianaP> topic: Subgroups and statuses
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12:11:10 <elianaP> Nick: Time to start with SHACL Profiling, this week or next week, will contact people.
12:11:39 <elianaP> ...A Node Expressions call has been scheduled for August 11th by Robert.
12:11:44 <nicholascar> q?
12:12:42 <elianaP> ...Other people involved in other subgroups:
12:13:05 <elianaP> ...Edmond and Thomas working on SHACL UI. Deliverables to be written as a note to get feedback from the rest of the group, reach out if you want to be involved. Kickoff meetings in ~2 weeks.
12:13:36 <elianaP> ...Rules subgroup: [Andy] no updates this week, waiting for comments on draft PR.
12:14:19 <elianaP> q?
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12:14:54 <elianaP> Ted: Would be nice to have the subgroup calls added to the group calendar.
12:15:06 <elianaP> topic: Validation reports and conformance values
12:15:16 <elianaP> ack TallTed
12:17:01 <elianaP> Thomas: Ticket has been created, including conformance levels affecting output, order of levels, informative results separate from non-info results.
12:18:12 <elianaP> ...Have to separate sh:conforms and sh:results. Should take different parties into account (engine implementers, engine users).
12:18:37 <elianaP> ...Different engine implementers may choose different approaches.
12:18:42 <nicholascar> q+
12:18:42 <elianaP> q?
12:18:49 <nicholascar> ack nicholascar
12:19:27 <elianaP> Nick: People should check the Github issue. Add points there.
12:19:41 <nicholascar> q?
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12:21:31 <nicholascar> ack HolgerK
12:21:32 <HolgerK> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/439
12:22:04 <elianaP> Topic: Auto-publishing node expressions doc
12:22:26 <elianaP> Holger: Can we start the process of publishing this?
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12:22:48 <elianaP> Nick: Need Call for Consensus, to be done after this meeting.
12:23:31 <elianaP> Andy: Perhaps we can do the same for the Rules doc.
12:24:14 <elianaP> Holger: Maybe Compact Syntax as well, as we are also including examples of it in the Core spec.
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12:25:26 <nicholascar> ack TallTed
12:25:30 <elianaP> Ted: We should think about whether the Compact examples belong in the Core spec.
12:25:30 <nicholascar> ack bergos
12:25:58 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/217
12:26:07 <elianaP> Thomas: Jesse was maybe driving CS, not in call
12:26:09 <AndyS> (proposed editors issue)
12:26:39 <ajnelson-nist> q+
12:26:47 <elianaP> Nick: Will check status of the Compact Syntax document with people driving it.
12:27:03 <AndyS> q+
12:27:22 <nicholascar> ack ajnelson-nist
12:27:25 <nicholascar> ack AndyS
12:28:18 <YoucTagh> q+
12:28:24 <nicholascar> ack YoucTagh
12:28:28 <elianaP> Andy: Suggestion for the process:  We could agree to publish Note documents when the editors are happy with them.
12:28:28 <YoucTagh> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/276
12:28:56 <YoucTagh> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/pull/390
12:29:21 <YoucTagh> ack me
12:30:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/04-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
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12:34:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/04-data-shapes-minutes.html elianaP
12:45:02 <elianaP> Zakim, end call
12:45:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end call', elianaP
12:45:37 <elianaP> Zakim, end meeting
12:45:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been HolgerK, bergos, SimonW, ajnelson-nist, nicholascar, TallTed, DavidHabgood, simonstey, AndyS, edmond, YoucTagh, elianaP
12:45:40 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:45:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/04-data-shapes-minutes.html Zakim
12:45:46 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, elianaP; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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12:45:51 <elianaP> RRSAgent, bye
12:45:51 <RRSAgent> I see no action items