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15:55:24 <TallTed> meeting: RDF & SPARQL WG biweekly meeting
15:55:44 <TallTed> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/40c79d60-8147-4da7-8185-c39434216daf/20250731T120000/
15:55:44 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:55:45 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:55:45 <agendabot> agenda+ Proposal for next week's discussion
15:55:45 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:55:46 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
15:55:49 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue Triage, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
15:55:52 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:57:02 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/07/25-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:57:02 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/08/07-rdf-star-minutes.html
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16:03:43 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
16:03:43 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-rdf-star-minutes.html --
16:03:44 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
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16:04:07 <AndyS> ora: minutes from last two meetings
16:04:15 <fsasaki> regrets+
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16:05:28 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve last two weeks' minutes
16:05:34 <gkellogg> +1
16:05:34 <ora> +0.5
16:05:40 <ktk> +1
16:05:44 <TallTed> +1
16:05:46 <AndyS> +1
16:05:56 <doerthe> +1
16:06:01 <tl> +1
16:06:26 <pfps> +1
16:06:30 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve last two weeks' minutes
16:06:32 <james> +1
16:06:33 <doerthe> present+
16:06:44 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:06:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Proposal for next week's discussion -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:06:49 <pfps> continuing audio problems with Zoom :-(
16:07:38 <AndyS> ora: email https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2025Jul/0027.html
16:07:40 <ktk> Topic: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2025Jul/0027.html
16:08:17 <pfps> There is the continuing discussion that might cause changes to the semantics.
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16:08:45 <AndyS> ora: Bulk of the discussion next week about issues before CR.
16:08:51 <ktk> regrest+ pchampin
16:08:51 <tl> q+
16:09:07 <ktk> s/regrest/regrets/
16:09:35 <ora> ack tl
16:09:52 <AndyS> pfps: We need to discuss issue on semantics
16:10:39 <AndyS> tl: Tried to label `ms:cr`in rdf-star-wg.
16:10:46 <pfps> I just tagged https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/220 with ms:cr
16:10:46 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/220 -> Pull Request 220 Annotations on assserted triples are based on operational semantics (by rat10) [ms:CR]
16:11:02 <AndyS> ... may not be around next week
16:11:48 <AndyS> s/ms:cr/ms:CR/
16:12:15 <pfps> I also tagged https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/pull/144
16:12:16 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/pull/144 -> Pull Request 144 No connection between propositions and facts in model-theoretic semantics (by rat10) [ms:CR] [spec:enhancement]
16:13:00 <AndyS> ora: idea is - tag important then discuss next week
16:13:13 <AndyS> ... tagged items is only topic
16:13:16 <AndyS> q+
16:13:24 <ora> ack AndyS
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16:14:02 <AndyS> AndyS: about horizontal review ...
16:14:02 <gkellogg> q+
16:14:14 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:14:20 <AndyS> ora: after next week, we may be able to start horizontal reviews
16:14:38 <AndyS> gkellogg: did some tagging on concepts and n-triples.
16:15:35 <AndyS> ... maybe have some formal notes in the document with links to issues if not resolved in time for horizontal review
16:16:05 <AndyS> ... maybe need to mark "needs discussion" even if not "ms:CR".
16:16:49 <AndyS> ora: agree - please mark them.
16:17:16 <AndyS> gkellogg: I have focused on those two documents (Concepts, N-Triples)
16:17:58 <AndyS> ora: one week for WG members to take a look.
16:18:34 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:18:34 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:19:06 <AndyS> ora: my action in progress
16:19:40 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/159
16:19:41 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/159 -> Action 159 write a non-normative description (in "what's new") about what properties can or should link to triple terms (on rdfguy) due 2025-05-08
16:20:01 <ora> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-new/pull/18
16:20:02 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-new/pull/18 -> Pull Request 18 what properties can or should link to triple terms? (by rdfguy)
16:22:14 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:22:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:24:52 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/72 - editorial
16:24:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/72 -> Pull Request 72 Fix `dfn-literal`. add "period" before full-stop character, other misc. (by gkellogg) [spec:editorial]
16:27:41 <AndyS> Merge https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/213
16:27:41 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/213 -> Pull Request 213 Explicit requirements for rdf:langString and rdf:dirLangString - alternative (by pchampin)
16:28:11 <AndyS> gkellog: I will deal with the conflict resolution.
16:28:24 <AndyS> s/gkellog/gkellogg/
16:28:52 <ora> q?
16:30:40 <AndyS> andys: can merge rdf-tests #191
16:30:41 <gb> Issue 191 not found
16:31:43 <AndyS> gkellogg: about rdf-tests - #209 - pchampin comment outstanding.
16:31:44 <gb> Issue 209 not found
16:31:50 <gkellogg> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/209
16:31:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/209 -> Pull Request 209 Adds directional language-tagged string tests … (by gkellogg) [Semantics]
16:31:57 <AndyS> ... need someone to look at this
16:34:33 <AndyS> pfps: I think pchampin's comment is correct
16:34:56 <AndyS> gkellogg: OK - I will fix these and merge.
16:35:19 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:35:19 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Issue Triage, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:37:44 <AndyS> Close broken link issues because fix-in-progress
16:43:23 <AndyS> AndyS: Can we publish the SPARQL NS document? https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/issues/202 ?
16:43:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/issues/202 -> Issue 202 Populate the https://www.w3.org/ns/sparql# namespace document (by afs) [spec:substantive]
16:43:37 <TallTed> for example, DID namespace is at https://www.w3.org/ns/did#
16:43:38 <AndyS> .. will work with pchampin on this
16:44:18 <TallTed> formatted docs are listed here -- https://www.w3.org/ns/did/#formal-versions-of-the-vocabulary
16:44:39 <TallTed> s/formatted docs/serializations/
16:44:52 <AndyS> ora: About https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/30
16:44:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/30 -> Issue 30 XML? (by riannella) [Editorial]
16:44:57 <AndyS> q+
16:45:13 <pfps> q+
16:45:16 <james> they do not look like xml.
16:45:41 <AndyS> ... is there a way to be less confusing e.g. different brackets?
16:45:55 <pfps> q-
16:45:58 <ora> ack AndyS
16:46:09 <pfps> +1 to Andy
16:46:09 <ktk> q+
16:46:12 <james> perhaps sgml.
16:47:24 <AndyS> ora: maybe prefix-name like syntax?
16:47:33 <ora> ack ktk
16:48:16 <AndyS> ktk: This style is used commonly in RDF training
16:48:41 <AndyS> ... will respond
16:48:51 <TallTed> the example is visible here -- https://w3c.github.io/rdf-primer/spec/#example1
16:49:54 <pfps> q+
16:50:09 <AndyS> ora: close the "propose closing"?
16:50:26 <ora> ack pfps
16:50:39 <AndyS> ktk: will assess them and see if they can be closed
16:50:42 <gkellogg> q+
16:50:47 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:51:54 <AndyS> gkellogg: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/79 and https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/46 from outside
16:51:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/46 -> Issue 46 Why quoted triples, when we already have named graphs? (by lars-hellstrom) [wr:pending]
16:51:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/79 -> Issue 79 Reconsider bidirectional (bidi) tag? (by termontwouter) [wr:pending]
16:53:37 <AndyS> ktk: important point is named graph have an orthogonal usage
16:53:43 <tl> q+
16:53:51 <AndyS> s/named graph/named graphs/
16:53:54 <ora> ack tl
16:54:51 <AndyS> tl: Decision was made with some consideration of named graphs from datagraph
16:55:21 <pfps> q+
16:55:33 <ora> ack pfps
16:55:55 <AndyS> pfps: WG members are free to comment as individuals
16:56:29 <AndyS> oroa: Close with link to WG resolution
16:56:36 <ora> s/oroa/ora
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16:59:43 <ktk> s/assserted/asserted/
16:59:43 <ktk> s/handels/handles/
16:59:43 <ktk> s/gkellog/gkellogg/
16:59:44 <ktk> s/jul/Jul/
17:00:08 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:00:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/31-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
17:01:13 <ktk> RRSAgent, leave
17:01:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items