13:06:44 RRSAgent has joined #wot-profile 13:06:48 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-irc 13:06:49 meeting: WoT Profile 13:07:23 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ben_Francis, Ege_Korkan, Josh_Thomas, Kunihiko_Thomas, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:07:27 scribenick: mjk 13:07:30 rrsagent, make log public 13:07:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:07:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:07:54 Topic: Minutes review 13:08:00 present+ David_Ezell 13:08:03 chair: Ben 13:08:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:08:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:08:23 ben: Any comments on the minutes from July 9th? 13:08:31 ... Minutes approved 13:08:38 Topic: Agenda review 13:08:44 i|Any co|-> https://www.w3.org/2025/07/23-wot-profile-minutes.html July-23| 13:09:21 ben: PRs to review and approve today 13:09:35 ... any other items for the agenda today? 13:09:41 Topic: PRs 13:09:53 Subtopic: PR #431 13:10:08 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf#Profiles_-_2025-07-30 13:10:30 ben: Any questions or comments? 13:10:35 i|Any|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/431 PR 431 - Profiling mechanism clarifications - closes #385, closes #403, closes #404| 13:10:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:10:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:10:45 q? 13:10:53 ... any objections to merging PR #431? 13:11:19 ... merged 13:11:31 Subtopic: PR #433 13:12:09 ben: fixes assertions 13:12:20 i|fixes|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/433 PR 433 - Duplicate conflicting assertion - closes #367| 13:12:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:12:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:12:53 q? 13:13:52 q? 13:13:53 ... One item is limiting the security to a single security scheme 13:14:00 ... any comments? 13:14:42 q? 13:14:50 ... there can be multiple schemes available but there must be a "oneOf" selection 13:15:07 ege: this is OK 13:15:12 q? 13:15:18 ben: any other comments? 13:15:39 ... any objections to merging #433 today? 13:15:42 q? 13:15:56 (merged) 13:16:13 Subtopic: PR #435 13:16:45 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/435 PR 435 - Fix broken link to Profile requirements - closes #434 13:17:06 ben: changes a URL to github pages 13:17:23 luca_barbato has joined #wot-profile 13:17:48 ... there is an issue with github links potentially changing 13:18:14 q+ 13:18:51 q? 13:18:52 ... we could keep the github pages URL or remove the use case reference entirely or create a W3C reference (which would also not be guaranteed stable) 13:20:06 kaz: OK with keeping the github URL 13:21:02 ben: any other opinions? 13:21:20 q- 13:21:30 q? 13:21:39 ... any objections to merging #435 13:21:43 (merged) 13:21:57 Subtopic: PR #436 13:22:13 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/436 PR 436 - Clarify behaviour when an HTTP request or response does not have a body - closes #360 13:23:55 ben: handling of empty response body, response code and content-type 13:24:41 ... clarifies that a JSON null is not an empty body 13:25:43 q? 13:25:53 ... any questions? 13:26:15 q? 13:26:26 ... any objections to merging PR #436 13:26:42 (merged) 13:26:58 Subtopic: PR #437 13:27:20 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/437 PR 437 - Clean up markup 13:27:45 ben: this is just cleanup of the markup 13:28:02 ... making things consistent 13:29:21 ... no normative changes 13:31:39 q+ 13:31:57 ... does anyone need more time to review this? 13:32:17 kaz: it would be nicer to have smaller PRs but this is OK 13:32:19 q- 13:32:22 q? 13:32:36 ... anyone object tp merging today? 13:33:14 ... will rebase to resolve conflicts and merge 13:33:39 Subtopic: PR #438 13:33:52 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/438 PR 438 - Change document to Group Note and explain status of document - closes #432 13:34:06 ben: Changes the document to note track 13:34:17 q+ 13:34:34 q+ 13:36:08 ... need to try to avoid discouraging people from using the spec but make it clear this document isn't a REC 13:36:25 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-profile/438/b0a9374...benfrancis:f655ac2.html#sotd Status section 13:36:26 q? 13:36:42 q+ 13:37:48 present+ Luca_Barbato 13:37:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:37:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:38:45 s/section/section (diff)/ 13:38:55 ->https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/benfrancis/wot-profile/pull/438.html#sotd Status section (preview) 13:38:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:38:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:39:08 q? 13:40:08 ege: The respec content can be changed without changing the URL of the document 13:40:25 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/main/publication 13:40:54 s/respec/respec HTML 13:40:59 ack e 13:41:29 ben: OK we won't merge this PR as is but still need to get agreement on the text 13:41:35 q? 13:41:46 q- later 13:43:08 luca: it should be mentioned that there is already software implemented and working 13:43:50 q? 13:44:46 kaz: OK with the direction and the text is not a big concern 13:45:36 ... this document is just a working draft 13:45:46 q? 13:46:28 ack l 13:46:30 ack k 13:46:35 q? 13:47:23 Subtopic: PR #439 13:47:28 s/this document is just a working draft/technically, we could publish this as a WD instead but we've given up to bring WoT Profile 1.0 spec to the REC stage during this Charter period/ 13:47:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:47:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:47:40 ben: changelog 13:49:42 q? 13:50:01 ... Is this an appropriate level of detail? 13:50:17 q+ 13:50:18 kaz: yes 13:50:40 ben: do people want more time to review this PR before we merge it? 13:51:35 kaz: would like to talk with Philippe before submitting the transition request to verify the procedure 13:51:48 i|changelog|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/439 PR 439 - Add a list of changes made since the 2023 Working Draft| 13:52:16 ben: any objections to merging PR #439 today? 13:52:22 (merged) 13:53:11 Topic: Other open PRs 13:53:23 Subtopic: PR #347 13:53:40 s/PR #347/Issue #347/ 13:53:52 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/347 Issue 347 - Clarify OAuth schemes - consider requiring Bearer tokens only 13:54:12 ben: Oauth bearer scheme is not good for interoperability because of the out of band token allocation 13:54:44 ... since there is no concrete resolution, we should keep the current list of schemes 13:54:47 s/Other open PRs/Discuss 1.0 issues/ 13:54:51 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:54:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:55:10 q? 13:55:19 q- 13:55:28 ben: suggest closing this PR or deferring to after 1.0 13:55:45 ... any other opinions? 13:56:31 dezell: agree that Oauth is a heavy lift, this is OK as is but maybe there needs to be an eventual solution 13:57:04 ... Oauth is basically the only option 13:57:31 ben: does anyone object to removing the Profiles 1.0 requirement for this? 13:57:43 ... no objections 13:57:59 Subtopic: Issue #313 13:58:56 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/313 Issue 313 - Include the "auto" security scheme to the list of supported schemes 13:59:26 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/314 related PR 314 - WIP: Allow auto security scheme for other permitted security schemes 13:59:47 q+ 13:59:54 ben: does anyone object to removing the Profiles 1.0 dependency (remove the 1.0 label from the issue)? 14:00:00 kaz: OK 14:00:10 q- 14:00:25 ben: will remove the 1.0 label 14:01:07 q+ 14:01:21 Topic: Publication process 14:01:28 -> https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#abandon-draft 6.3.13.1 14:01:34 ben: What are the next steps? 14:01:58 see you next time 14:02:03 q- 14:02:09 kaz: need to talk with Philippe about the publication status as a Note 14:02:56 s/6.3.13.1/6.3.13.1. Abandoning an Unfinished Recommendation/ 14:03:35 ben: How do we create the PR to move the draft to the publication folder? 14:03:52 s/draft/HTML 14:03:58 kax: I can do that 14:04:05 s/kax/kaz 14:04:28 ben: do we need a resolution in the main call: 14:04:51 kaz: yes, first a TF resolution then a group resolution 14:05:01 ben: any other comments? 14:05:14 ... OK, ready to wrap this up 14:05:25 ... adjourned 14:05:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:05:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz