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13:06:49 <kaz> meeting: WoT Profile
13:07:23 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ben_Francis, Ege_Korkan, Josh_Thomas, Kunihiko_Thomas, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:07:27 <mjk> scribenick: mjk
13:07:30 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:07:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:07:54 <mjk> Topic: Minutes review
13:08:00 <kaz> present+ David_Ezell
13:08:03 <kaz> chair: Ben
13:08:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:08:23 <mjk> ben: Any comments on the minutes from July 9th?
13:08:31 <mjk> ... Minutes approved
13:08:38 <mjk> Topic: Agenda review
13:08:44 <kaz> i|Any co|-> https://www.w3.org/2025/07/23-wot-profile-minutes.html July-23|
13:09:21 <mjk> ben: PRs to review and approve today
13:09:35 <mjk> ... any other items for the agenda today?
13:09:41 <mjk> Topic: PRs
13:09:53 <mjk> Subtopic: PR #431
13:10:08 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf#Profiles_-_2025-07-30
13:10:30 <mjk> ben: Any questions or comments?
13:10:35 <kaz> i|Any|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/431 PR 431 - Profiling mechanism clarifications - closes #385, closes #403, closes #404|
13:10:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:10:45 <benfrancis> q?
13:10:53 <mjk> ... any objections to merging PR #431?
13:11:19 <mjk> ... merged
13:11:31 <mjk> Subtopic: PR #433
13:12:09 <mjk> ben: fixes assertions
13:12:20 <kaz> i|fixes|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/433 PR 433 - Duplicate conflicting assertion - closes #367|
13:12:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:12:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:12:53 <mjk> q?
13:13:52 <benfrancis> q?
13:13:53 <mjk> ... One item is limiting the security to a single security scheme
13:14:00 <mjk> ... any comments?
13:14:42 <benfrancis> q?
13:14:50 <mjk> ... there can be multiple schemes available but there must be a "oneOf" selection
13:15:07 <mjk> ege: this is OK
13:15:12 <benfrancis> q?
13:15:18 <mjk> ben: any other comments?
13:15:39 <mjk> ... any objections to merging #433 today?
13:15:42 <benfrancis> q?
13:15:56 <mjk> (merged)
13:16:13 <mjk> Subtopic: PR #435
13:16:45 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/435 PR 435 - Fix broken link to Profile requirements - closes #434
13:17:06 <mjk> ben: changes a URL to github pages
13:17:23 <luca_barbato> luca_barbato has joined #wot-profile
13:17:48 <mjk> ... there is an issue with github links potentially changing
13:18:14 <kaz> q+
13:18:51 <benfrancis> q?
13:18:52 <mjk> ... we could keep the github pages URL or remove the use case reference entirely or create a W3C reference (which would also not be guaranteed stable)
13:20:06 <mjk> kaz: OK with keeping the github URL
13:21:02 <mjk> ben: any other opinions?
13:21:20 <kaz> q-
13:21:30 <benfrancis> q?
13:21:39 <mjk> ... any objections to merging #435
13:21:43 <mjk> (merged)
13:21:57 <mjk> Subtopic: PR #436
13:22:13 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/436 PR 436 - Clarify behaviour when an HTTP request or response does not have a body - closes #360
13:23:55 <mjk> ben: handling of empty response body, response code and content-type
13:24:41 <mjk> ... clarifies that a JSON null is not an empty body
13:25:43 <benfrancis> q?
13:25:53 <mjk> ... any questions?
13:26:15 <benfrancis> q?
13:26:26 <mjk> ... any objections to merging PR #436
13:26:42 <mjk> (merged)
13:26:58 <mjk> Subtopic: PR #437
13:27:20 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/437 PR 437 - Clean up markup
13:27:45 <mjk> ben: this is just cleanup of the markup
13:28:02 <mjk> ... making things consistent
13:29:21 <mjk> ... no normative changes
13:31:39 <kaz> q+
13:31:57 <mjk> ... does anyone need more time to review this?
13:32:17 <mjk> kaz: it would be nicer to have smaller PRs but this is OK
13:32:19 <kaz> q-
13:32:22 <benfrancis> q?
13:32:36 <mjk> ... anyone object tp merging today?
13:33:14 <mjk> ... will rebase to resolve conflicts and merge
13:33:39 <mjk> Subtopic: PR #438
13:33:52 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/438 PR 438 - Change document to Group Note and explain status of document - closes #432
13:34:06 <mjk> ben: Changes the document to note track
13:34:17 <EgeKorkan> q+
13:34:34 <kaz> q+
13:36:08 <mjk> ... need to try to avoid discouraging people from using the spec but make it clear this document isn't a REC
13:36:25 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-profile/438/b0a9374...benfrancis:f655ac2.html#sotd Status section
13:36:26 <mjk> q?
13:36:42 <luca_barbato> q+
13:37:48 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
13:37:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:37:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:38:45 <kaz> s/section/section (diff)/
13:38:55 <kaz> ->https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/benfrancis/wot-profile/pull/438.html#sotd Status section (preview)
13:38:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:38:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:39:08 <benfrancis> q?
13:40:08 <mjk> ege: The respec content can be changed without changing the URL of the document
13:40:25 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/main/publication
13:40:54 <mjk> s/respec/respec HTML
13:40:59 <kaz> ack e
13:41:29 <mjk> ben: OK we won't merge this PR as is but still need to get agreement on the text
13:41:35 <benfrancis> q?
13:41:46 <kaz> q- later
13:43:08 <mjk> luca: it should be mentioned that there is already software implemented and working
13:43:50 <benfrancis> q?
13:44:46 <mjk> kaz: OK with the direction and the text is not a big concern
13:45:36 <mjk> ... this document is just a working draft
13:45:46 <mjk> q?
13:46:28 <kaz> ack l
13:46:30 <kaz> ack k
13:46:35 <benfrancis> q?
13:47:23 <mjk> Subtopic: PR #439
13:47:28 <kaz> s/this document is just a working draft/technically, we could publish this as a WD instead but we've given up to bring WoT Profile 1.0 spec to the REC stage during this Charter period/
13:47:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:47:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:47:40 <mjk> ben: changelog
13:49:42 <benfrancis> q?
13:50:01 <mjk> ... Is this an appropriate level of detail?
13:50:17 <kaz> q+
13:50:18 <mjk> kaz: yes
13:50:40 <mjk> ben: do people want more time to review this PR before we merge it?
13:51:35 <mjk> kaz: would like to talk with Philippe before submitting the transition request to verify the procedure
13:51:48 <kaz> i|changelog|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/439 PR 439 - Add a list of changes made since the 2023 Working Draft|
13:52:16 <mjk> ben: any objections to merging PR #439 today?
13:52:22 <mjk> (merged)
13:53:11 <mjk> Topic: Other open PRs
13:53:23 <mjk> Subtopic: PR #347
13:53:40 <kaz> s/PR #347/Issue #347/
13:53:52 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/347 Issue 347 - Clarify OAuth schemes - consider requiring Bearer tokens only
13:54:12 <mjk> ben: Oauth bearer scheme is not good for interoperability because of the out of band token allocation
13:54:44 <mjk> ... since there is no concrete resolution, we should keep the current list of schemes
13:54:47 <kaz> s/Other open PRs/Discuss 1.0 issues/
13:54:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:54:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:55:10 <benfrancis> q?
13:55:19 <kaz> q-
13:55:28 <mjk> ben: suggest closing this PR or deferring to after 1.0
13:55:45 <mjk> ... any other opinions?
13:56:31 <mjk> dezell: agree that Oauth is a heavy lift, this is OK as is but maybe there needs to be an eventual solution
13:57:04 <mjk> ... Oauth is basically the only option
13:57:31 <mjk> ben: does anyone object to removing the Profiles 1.0 requirement for this?
13:57:43 <mjk> ... no objections
13:57:59 <mjk> Subtopic: Issue #313
13:58:56 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/313 Issue 313 - Include the "auto" security scheme to the list of supported schemes
13:59:26 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/314 related PR 314 - WIP: Allow auto security scheme for other permitted security schemes
13:59:47 <kaz> q+
13:59:54 <mjk> ben: does anyone object to removing the Profiles 1.0 dependency (remove the 1.0 label from the issue)?
14:00:00 <mjk> kaz: OK
14:00:10 <kaz> q-
14:00:25 <mjk> ben: will remove the 1.0 label
14:01:07 <EgeKorkan> q+
14:01:21 <mjk> Topic: Publication process
14:01:28 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#abandon-draft 6.3.13.1
14:01:34 <mjk> ben: What are the next steps?
14:01:58 <EgeKorkan> see you next time
14:02:03 <EgeKorkan> q-
14:02:09 <mjk> kaz: need to talk with Philippe about the publication status as a Note
14:02:56 <kaz> s/6.3.13.1/6.3.13.1. Abandoning an Unfinished Recommendation/
14:03:35 <mjk> ben: How do we create the PR to move the draft to the publication folder?
14:03:52 <mjk> s/draft/HTML
14:03:58 <mjk> kax: I can do that
14:04:05 <mjk> s/kax/kaz
14:04:28 <mjk> ben: do we need a resolution in the main call:
14:04:51 <mjk> kaz: yes, first a TF resolution then a group resolution
14:05:01 <mjk> ben: any other comments?
14:05:14 <mjk> ... OK, ready to wrap this up
14:05:25 <mjk> ... adjourned
14:05:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:05:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz