13:02:00 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 13:02:04 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-irc 13:02:06 meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2 13:02:23 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Toamoaki_Mizushima, Ege_Korkan 13:02:28 Mizushima has joined #wot-td 13:02:29 chair: Ege, Koster 13:03:19 dape has joined #wot-td 13:03:22 present+ Daniel_Peintner 13:03:41 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#July_23-24%2C_2025 13:04:07 rrsagent, make log public 13:04:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:07:49 scribe: dape 13:08:08 q+ 13:08:43 q- 13:09:18 13:09:53 MK: We can think about a new timeslot if that works better for others 13:10:09 TOPIC: Minutes 13:10:15 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/07/16-wot-td-minutes.html July-16 13:10:52 EK: Any remark? 13:11:01 ... none -> minutes are approved 13:11:06 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-wot-td-minutes.html July-17 13:11:43 EK: Any remark w.r.t Thursdays minutes? 13:11:50 q? 13:11:53 ... none -> minutes are approved 13:12:11 TOPIC: Quick Schedule 13:12:21 SUBTOPIC: Editors for TD and Binding Registry 13:13:05 s/TOPIC: Quick Schedule// 13:13:13 s/SUBTOPIC:/TOPIC:/ 13:13:15 ... see https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1939 13:13:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:13:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:13:39 EK: Discussion started a while ago 13:13:46 ... discussion last week also 13:13:54 i|some dis|topic: Logistics| 13:14:00 ... Binding Registry doesn't have any editor 13:14:17 ... current TD editors are no longer that active 13:14:36 ... we talked about "author" role 13:14:58 ... roles is defined in https://www.w3.org/Guide/editor/role.html 13:15:13 s/... roles is/... role is 13:16:07 EK: Editors do the maintenance work but not the creation of new content. 13:16:23 ... Editors are responsible for the entire document 13:16:31 ... Editor is not a creative role 13:16:42 ... Authors are people creating significant new content 13:16:48 ... like a new chapter 13:17:06 ... Author is a creative role 13:17:17 ... the product is still owned by the group 13:17:51 ... Editors are only for the current version of a document 13:18:00 ... If they stop being an editor for that, they are moved to "former editors" 13:18:11 ... Authors stay in the document across versions if their contribution remains largely unchanged 13:18:32 ... in case of JSON LD the version of the contribution is added 13:18:55 ... we should regularly check the list of editors/authors 13:19:32 ... should make clear, an entry into these lists is a "person + affiliation" 13:20:00 ... e.g., the case for discovery spec and Farshid + Fraunhofer 13:20:09 ... One person can have multiple roles 13:21:02 EK: note that in IETF, our editor (definition used until now) is an author. RFC Editors are "professional editors" that are staff positions 13:21:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:21:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:21:20 ... goal of today to make a proposal for the WG to discuss 13:21:24 q+ 13:21:33 scribenick: EgeKorkan 13:22:02 q+ 13:22:19 dp: if we assume that this works, the policy about async process needs to be updated too right? We do not use author in the policy 13:22:56 EK: w.r.t. async decision policy ... still editor has the decision... not the author 13:23:09 i|EK:|scribenick: dape 13:23:19 ... editor needs to make sure nothing else breaks 13:23:27 ... hence, the policy wouldn't change 13:23:29 ack dape 13:24:18 https://www.w3.org/Signature/Contributor.html 13:24:45 Kaz: The WoT specification is generated by working group 13:25:03 ... we might need an additional policy 13:25:15 ... discussed for the whole group 13:25:32 ack kaz 13:26:05 EK: Next step would be turning into a policy? 13:26:19 Kaz: For today we think about it as draft policy 13:26:27 ... can propose it to whole group 13:26:34 ... whole WG can make the decision 13:26:34 s/we might need/like the XML Signature WG policy above, probably we should clarify/ 13:26:51 s/discussed for/to be discussed by/ 13:27:09 s/to whole/to the whole/ 13:27:16 EK: previous publications were done in the old mode 13:27:19 rrsagent, drat minutes 13:27:19 I'm logging. I don't understand 'drat minutes', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:28:03 s/rrsagent, drat minutes// 13:28:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:28:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:28:12 ... wonder about implications and the current editors list (Sebastian, Michael) 13:28:28 q+ 13:29:30 Kaz: I am ok if the whole group is ok 13:29:40 ... should clarify the policy first 13:29:49 ... then talk to former editors 13:30:06 ... and decide which sections editors are moved to 13:31:04 q- 13:31:39 EK: Alright, will send mails 13:31:54 (after clarifying the policy :) 13:32:05 TOPIC: Available PRs 13:32:15 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2109 13:32:18 s/I am ok/I am ok with any kind of policies/ 13:32:41 s/should clarify/but I'd suggest we clarify/ 13:32:47 s/to former/to the former/ 13:33:06 i|2109|subtopic: PR 2109| 13:33:09 EK: Daniel add "XML data exchange" 13:33:18 s/ Daniel add/ Daniel adds 13:33:34 ... using user-story template 13:33:42 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2109|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2109 TD PR 2109 - Propose user story for XML data mapping| 13:33:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:33:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:33:55 ... it is about XML payload and validating data 13:34:34 ... the reason why it is not possible right now, there is no 1:1 mapping betwen JSON schema dn XML schema 13:35:47 s/schema dn/schema and 13:36:22 EK: I didn't see one comment 13:36:42 ... proposal makes sense --> merging 13:37:01 EK: Proposal looks good to me now 13:37:02 q? 13:38:05 ... FYI, OPEN API added new terms, see https://github.com/OAI/OpenAPI-Specification/pull/4592 13:38:55 ... let's add it to "existing solution" section 13:39:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:39:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:39:45 EK: no other comment, I think we can merge PR 2109 13:40:15 s/subtopic: PR 2109/subtopic: TD PR 2109/ 13:40:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:40:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:40:49 EK: no other PRs to look at right now 13:41:15 ... maybe we can look at https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2103 13:41:33 EK: it is about "Initial Connection" 13:41:34 i|no other|subtopic: TD PR 2103| 13:41:55 i|no other|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2103 TD PR 2103 - Initial Connection Improvements| 13:41:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:41:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:42:33 EK: default value must go in expanded form 13:43:37 ... expanded form must not contain some term in root level, like securityDefinitions etc 13:43:52 s/some term in root/some terms in root 13:44:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:44:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:44:46 EK: an expanded TD, some terms (like security, schema, ...) must not be used in form level 13:45:06 ... local definitions take priority 13:45:51 .. PR removes the examples sections from MD document 13:46:09 ... the code part is also removed 13:46:17 ... we said we do not provide code 13:46:29 ... should be provided by implementations 13:46:45 ... any objections/remarks? 13:46:49 q? 13:47:05 ... PR is available for a long time time 13:47:12 ... would go ahead and merge 13:47:30 ... merged PR 2103 13:47:46 EK: other PRs are not yet ready 13:48:20 [adjourned] 13:48:28 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:48:30 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 16:00:40 Zakim has left #wot-td