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13:52:56 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:53:03 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/3d8e05fe-09ac-4406-91ee-50e6ad47529d/20250724T150000/
13:53:03 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:53:03 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:53:03 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:53:05 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:53:07 <agendabot> agenda+ Review RADAR Review
13:53:09 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:53:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Address Formats PR
13:53:12 <addison> agenda+ Intl.getTextInfo
13:53:14 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:53:25 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:53:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:53:48 <addison> regrets+ JcK
13:57:52 <addison> present+ Addison
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14:02:18 <addison> present+ Atsushi, Bert
14:02:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:03:44 <addison> present+ Richard
14:03:56 <addison> present+ Fuqiao
14:04:24 <Bert> scribe+
14:04:38 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:04:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:40 <addison> agenda?
14:05:03 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:03 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:10 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
14:05:15 <addison> #176
14:05:16 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/176 -> Action 176  add WG comment to html 11395 (on aphillips) due 2025-07-03
14:05:32 <addison> #173
14:05:33 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/173 -> Action 173  ping zainab (on aphillips) due 2025-06-19
14:05:44 <addison> close #173
14:05:45 <Bert> addison: Done, but no response
14:05:46 <gb> Closed -> issue #173 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/173
14:05:51 <addison> #171
14:05:51 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/171 -> Action 171 revise local-font-access to exclude localhost and talk more about opt-in model (on ZainabAq) due 2025-05-22
14:06:03 <addison> #169
14:06:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/169 -> Action 169  reply to html 10843 and css 9832 (on aphillips) due 2025-05-08
14:06:15 <addison> #162
14:06:16 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/162 -> Action 162  poll I18N/CSS for new day/time (on aphillips) due 2025-03-25
14:06:23 <Bert> addison: No response
14:06:37 <addison> #157
14:06:37 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/157 -> Action 157  write glossary proposal identifying options and next steps for those options (on aphillips) due 2025-02-20
14:06:49 <addison> #135
14:06:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
14:06:54 <addison> #127
14:06:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127  make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
14:06:59 <addison> #33
14:07:00 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:07:15 <addison> #7
14:07:16 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:07:33 <addison> #4
14:07:34 <Bert> addison: Somebody enquires for a spec that is on the radar now.
14:07:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
14:07:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:07:50 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:07:57 <Bert> q+
14:08:02 <addison> ack next
14:08:11 <r12a> agenda+ Using AI for i18n minutes?
14:08:16 <addison> Bert: TPAC organizers are looking for videos
14:08:30 <addison> ... demos, tutorials, etc.
14:08:54 <addison> ... there is a page on the tpac site
14:09:34 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/group-updates.html
14:10:23 <Bert> Bert: The page ^^ doesn't give much instructions
14:10:37 <Bert> r12a: Maybe my video about bidi for Unicode
14:10:56 <addison> ack next
14:10:56 <Bert> addison: Or my tutorial, don't know if I can use it.
14:11:14 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:11:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:11:27 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
14:12:06 <Bert> addison: Incoming request for review of IMSC
14:12:21 <Bert> ... Timed Text WG
14:12:38 <Bert> atsushi: There is only a small diff from prev versions
14:13:13 <Bert> addison: Deadline16 Sep
14:13:40 <Bert> ... They talk about Japanese chaacter set, superscript subscript, etc.
14:13:57 <Bert> ... They are our previous issues, aren't they?
14:14:14 <Bert> atsushi: Not me, as I'm staff contact.
14:14:20 <Bert> xfq: I can review it.
14:15:33 <Bert> addison: Under Awaiting, there is ACT. They closed all issues. Can we close them, too?
14:15:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:15:39 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:15:47 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
14:15:50 <addison> agenda?
14:16:03 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:16:03 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Using AI for i18n minutes? -- taken up [from r12a]
14:17:32 <Bert> r12a: We had a discussion about AI and minutes in the W3C team. CAn we use AI to transcribe minutes? And can we summarize the minutes?
14:17:52 <Bert> ... No answer yet, but various groups are experimenting.
14:18:07 <Bert> ... We can transcribe with Zoom.
14:18:23 <Bert> ... We shouldn't just put out minutes without checking them.
14:18:34 <Bert> ... But human scribes need checking, too.
14:19:11 <Bert> ... For a small group like ours, people currently have to scribe often.
14:19:32 <Bert> ... If I can't scribe, I can still review.
14:19:53 <Bert> addison: My experience is thjat transcription is decent, unless there is local jargon.
14:20:05 <Bert> ... But technology is moving fast.
14:20:17 <Bert> ... We can experiment, try it in parallel.
14:20:45 <Bert> xfq: It may be problematic if you look at the transcript, there ar emany unnecessary words.
14:20:56 <Bert> ... Editing adterwards takes time.
14:21:10 <Bert> ... Reviewing the summary doesn't take as much time.
14:21:37 <Bert> r12a: How do you turn it it on and who gets the transcript.
14:21:54 <Bert> xfq: You can configure it before the meeting.
14:23:04 <Bert> Bert: Only the host will get the saved transcript, if any.
14:23:25 <Bert> addison: Fuqiao, you're the host....
14:24:17 <Bert> People looking at the realtime transcript...
14:24:31 <Bert> addison: So are we going to try?
14:24:54 <Bert> xfq: Yes, I will configure and experiment.
14:25:20 <Bert> r12a: Can you teach it pronunciation? E.g., ‘Fuqiao’?
14:25:47 <addison> action: xfq: enable transcription of zoom call so we can experiment
14:25:54 <gb> Created -> action #177 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/177
14:26:02 <addison> agenda?
14:26:17 <Bert> Bert: Zoom does a new transcript after the meeting, different from the real-time transcript.
14:26:24 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:26:24 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Intl.getTextInfo -- taken up [from addison]
14:27:44 <xfq> https://github.com/tc39/proposal-intl-locale-info?tab=readme-ov-file#text-information
14:27:49 <Bert> xfq: I discivered this API ^^
14:28:18 <addison> q+
14:28:24 <Bert> ... You can give it a BCP47 tag and it can give you text direction of that language
14:28:42 <Bert> ... But one language can have mutlipe directions.
14:28:51 <addison> ack next
14:28:58 <Bert> ... We may want to add a note to make this clearer.
14:29:18 <Bert> addison: The Intl features mirrors an ICU feature.
14:29:31 <Bert> ... It is estimated information.
14:30:02 <Bert> ... If you give it ‘en’ it will retunr ltr, which is usually correct.
14:30:33 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:30:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:31:13 <Bert> .. But for hAzerbajani it will often be wrong.
14:31:36 <Bert> ... You shouldn't depend on it, as it is as best an estimate.
14:32:17 <Bert> xfq: Do we need to do anything? Do we want them to add some guidance?
14:32:26 <xfq> https://tc39.es/proposal-intl-locale-info/#sec-locale-direction
14:32:30 <Bert> addison: I'd need to look at the text of their spec.
14:32:31 <xfq> text ^
14:33:01 <Bert> ... This groups should maybe be reviewing Intl docs (as Plh earlier suggested)
14:33:29 <Bert> addison: Should we ask them by email if they would like getting reviews?
14:33:52 <Bert> xfq: If they do, hwo do we manage the reviews? Like we do for other gorups?
14:33:54 <Bert> addison: Yes
14:34:02 <Bert> xfq: We could do that.
14:34:58 <Bert> Bert: Sounds interesting to review and useful, but how much would we have to review?
14:35:13 <addison> action: addison: inquire with tc39 about reviews of specs
14:35:14 <gb> Created -> action #178 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/178
14:35:30 <Bert> addison: I'll write them an email.
14:35:59 <Bert> ... Fuqiao, do you want ot respond to the issue? Or create an issue in their repo?
14:36:04 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:36:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:36:12 <Bert> xfq: I will create an issue.
14:36:13 <addison> action: xfq: add issue to getTextInfo expressing interest in a health warning or pointer to string-meta etc
14:36:14 <gb> Created -> action #179 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/179
14:36:21 <addison> agenda?
14:36:28 <xfq> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2025JulSep/0024.html
14:36:31 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:36:31 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Address Formats PR -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:36:32 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:36:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:36:41 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/622
14:36:41 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/622 -> Pull Request 622 Initial work on address formats (by xfq)
14:36:48 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/blob/xfq/address-2024/questions/qa-address-formats.en.md
14:38:03 <Bert> xfq: We have an article about person's names, and examples of address auto-complete. I thought we could write an articel about address formats aroind the world.
14:38:13 <Bert> ... I wrote this draft.
14:38:36 <Bert> ... If people think it is good enough I can put it in HTML and send it out for wide review.
14:38:48 <addison> q?
14:38:53 <Bert> ... Richard has given comments, which I fixed.
14:39:01 <Bert> addison: Great start
14:39:33 <Bert> ... Richard's article ahs been useful over the years. This is a good summary.
14:40:45 <Bert> ... I gave a talk at a Unicode conf some years ago, about shipping internationally, and about the last mile: not everybody has a clear address (‘the house witht he blue door after the pist office’)
14:41:22 <Bert> addison: In Carmel CA, there are no street numbers. People name their houses.
14:41:41 <Bert> r12a: I once came across an Indian address ‘across the cinema’
14:42:40 <Bert> xfq: About last mile and shipping: I thought about how people sometines specify where to put the package: put it outside the door, etc.
14:43:50 <Bert> addison: And names in Chinese but people don't know the transliteration.
14:44:41 <Bert> addison: (My conference talk seems not to have been recorded.)
14:45:03 <Bert> xfq: Shall I add these things to my article?
14:45:18 <Bert> addison: It is in Q&A format?
14:45:23 <Bert> xfq: Yes.
14:45:31 <Bert> addison: We do wide review?
14:45:45 <Bert> xfq: Yes, after I made it HTML.
14:46:11 <Bert> addison: There is nothing wrong, I just imagibe there are more things you could add.
14:46:23 <Bert> xfq: OK, I will revise it a bit and convert to HTML
14:46:27 <addison> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJEKbUx3B0w&list=PLMc927ywQmTPLAnkm8qIi2yWNMZrKQdt4&index=13&pp=iAQB0gcJCcwJAYcqIYzv
14:47:05 <Bert> addison: My string meta talk ^^
14:47:06 <addison> agenda?
14:47:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:47:19 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:47:33 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/565
14:47:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/565 -> Pull Request 565 Update the multilingual web addresses article (by xfq)
14:47:45 <Bert> xfq: Pull Request ^^
14:47:53 <Bert> ... mostly editorial
14:48:31 <Bert> ... I raised a few issues about that article and planned to fix it in several steps.
14:48:39 <Bert> addison: Seems mosyly typos.
14:48:47 <Bert> xfq: Can I merge it?
14:48:58 <Bert> addison: I wish you would.
14:49:01 <atsushi> +1
14:49:22 <Bert> <Bert> +1
14:49:32 <Bert> xfq: OK, I will merge it.
14:50:33 <Bert> r12a: I noticed in minutes we put links, but they don't get into the transcript.
14:50:57 <Bert> ... SO my preferred solution is that the transcript appears in IRC, too.
14:51:09 <Bert> xfq: We would need to develop an IRC bot.
14:52:02 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:52:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:52:40 <Bert> Bert: I once worked on an IRC bot to translate on the fly. Training it took too long, but I think it s doable.
14:53:08 <Bert> r12a: It will make it possible to pause the transcription bot as well.
14:53:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:53:33 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'
14:53:36 <addison> zakim, who is here?
14:53:36 <Zakim> Present: Addison, Atsushi, Bert, Richard, Fuqiao
14:53:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see atsushi, RRSAgent, Zakim, addison, r12a, gb, csarven, jyasskin, agendabot, fantasai, xfq, alastairc, koji, astearns, Rachael, cwilso, Bert, florian
14:53:48 <addison> zakim, bye
14:53:48 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Atsushi, Bert, Richard, Fuqiao
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