15:53:40 RRSAgent has joined #aria-editors 15:53:45 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/07/23-aria-editors-irc 15:53:55 zakim, start meeting 15:53:55 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:53:57 Meeting: ARIA Editors 15:54:18 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/21befb29-2dd5-4f24-92ef-670630b82798/20250723T090000/ 15:54:19 clear agenda 15:54:19 agenda+ ARIA #1896 and #1897: Reffy and custom ReSpec tooling // Illustrate how attributes and properties could be distinct concepts 15:54:19 agenda+ ARIA #1942: Explore concept/styling for direct advice for how AT/screen readers should interpret certain aria roles/values 15:54:20 agenda+ Move the meeting back an hour based on -> Survey results https://www.w3.org/wbs/140270/meeting-time/results/ ? 15:59:31 pkra has joined #aria-editors 16:02:07 present+ 16:04:46 scribe+ 16:05:31 zakim, first item 16:05:31 I don't understand 'first item', pkra 16:05:35 zakim, next item 16:05:35 agendum 1 -- ARIA #1896 and #1897: Reffy and custom ReSpec tooling // Illustrate how attributes and properties could be distinct concepts -- taken up [from agendabot] 16:05:46 present+ 16:06:07 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1897 16:06:11 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1896 16:06:36 pkra: this is an old one from Anne 16:06:40 jamesn has joined #aria-editors 16:06:56 ... I think this comes down to switching "completely" to respec. 16:07:08 ... but I'm not sure if that's the case and if so what that would take. 16:07:45 jamesn: looking at them, we don't do that. It would take some work to make things work with respec. 16:08:45 pkra: does this mean we have to replace pdef/sdef/rdef ? 16:10:52 jamesn: no but we have to add something when converting those. 16:11:12 pkra: ok. so what would that be? 16:15:12 jamesn: ok, the PR is different, it's just an example for when reffy would help. 16:15:17 pkra: ah ok. 16:21:15 jamesn: looking through this, it looks like there's custom code for CSS. It seems tidoust is the main contributor nowadays. We could use the dfn path but that seems the wrong way. We need some context. 16:22:57 ... we have some exports 16:23:00 pkra: right. those show up. 16:23:16 jamesn: I don't think roles make sense without additiona info - they're too generic. 16:23:32 pkra: right, we already export things like "hidden" or "perceivable" 16:24:54 jamesn: we should probably file an issue on https://github.com/w3c/reffy/ 16:25:11 pkra: could you? 16:25:16 jamesn: yes, I'll find time. 16:26:28 pkra: great. should we close 1896? 16:26:44 jamesn: I think Anne might still want this. 16:26:46 pkra: but do we? 16:27:09 jamesn: I'd defer to Val. 16:28:41 pkra: ok I'll assign her 16:28:47 zakim, next imte 16:28:47 I don't understand 'next imte', pkra 16:28:51 zakim, next item 16:28:51 agendum 2 -- ARIA #1942: Explore concept/styling for direct advice for how AT/screen readers should interpret certain aria roles/values -- taken up [from agendabot] 16:29:21 pkra: it's been a long month :D 16:29:30 jamesn: I probably won't get to it anytime soon. 16:29:43 ... https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1942 16:30:46 ... we really just need something that implementors can take notice of - nothing normative. 16:31:10 daniel: so it's more a visual improvement? 16:31:12 jamesn: yes. 16:32:31 zakim, next item 16:32:31 agendum 3 -- Move the meeting back an hour based on -> Survey results https://www.w3.org/wbs/140270/meeting-time/results/ ? -- taken up [from agendabot] 16:32:44 pkra: we will move the meetings back 1h 16:33:05 daniel: I'll update the calendars, but silently. 16:33:42 pkra: note that the next meeting is in 3 weeks. 16:41:14 zakim, end meeting 16:41:14 As of this point the attendees have been pkra, Daniel 16:41:15 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 16:41:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/23-aria-editors-minutes.html Zakim 16:41:23 I am happy to have been of service, pkra; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 16:41:25 Zakim has left #aria-editors