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18:30:54 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
18:31:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> meeting: A11yEdge Weekly Teleconference
18:31:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
18:31:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
18:41:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Janina
18:42:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Jason
18:42:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Chris
18:42:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Scheduling
18:43:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
18:44:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Should we propose a breakout group for TPAC 2025?
18:45:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: We should clarify the goals
18:45:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: The more open inquisitive, intelligent discussion the better. We would need to capture it
18:46:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: How would we respond to negative feedback?
18:46:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: Where do we store this feedback
18:47:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this technology has been around for 20 years. We are ready to educate.
18:51:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Auditors today are often asked to audit a site with a post-source remediation solution in place
18:52:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: That post-source solution is often silent. There are trade-offs to any approach
18:52:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: If you do remediation right, no one cares how you get it done
18:53:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: My target audience is for the end user, and the website manager
18:55:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: End users would want to understand post-source, that one person's accessibility settings are hard to communicate with another end-user
19:01:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: WCAG claims to be technology agnostic. If it is, then post-source is just a form of technology
19:02:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... a breakout session should be done as long as we have clear goals
19:03:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: We could pull up the requests and conversation at the original kick-off Breakout, then report how we dealt with that
19:03:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: +1
19:04:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: The title and description should be defined
19:06:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Edits and next steps
19:06:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: Edits are not in place; I need a meeting with Mike when I return to my office
19:07:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: Remaining steps are (1) all the places with missing bla bla, I sent out the list of ~17 items
19:08:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: They look good to me
19:20:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: TO BE EDITED: 3.5.3 Shadow and Outline Effects, the WCAG styling extends to the following paragraph
19:24:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... these needs editing: 5.4.4, 6.5
19:26:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Preliminary announcement
19:26:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: An announcement that publication is coming will likely prepare audiences to get involved
19:31:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
19:31:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, Janina, Jason, Chris
19:31:30 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:31:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/23-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
19:31:38 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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