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14:41:59 <Lisa> q?
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14:42:00 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:42:02 <Lisa> ack next
14:42:59 <Lisa> agenda+ subgroups resuture
14:43:08 <Lisa> agebda?
14:43:12 <Lisa> agenda?
14:46:14 <Lisa> agenda order is 1 8 2  4 5 7 8 3
14:46:21 <Lisa> close item 3
14:46:34 <Lisa> agenda order is 1 8 2  4 5 7
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14:55:10 <Lisa> Q?
14:56:52 <Lisa> agenda+ tpac
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15:02:06 <julierawe> present+
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15:02:57 <Becca_Monteleone> scribe+ Becca_Monteleone
15:02:57 <Charli> present+
15:03:05 <Becca_Monteleone> present+
15:03:12 <Lisa> scribe+  Becca_Monteleone , gareth
15:03:28 <Lisa> next item
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15:04:53 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: new tabs on COGA action item document, including agendas so that people can find info all in one place
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15:05:18 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Orientation training, key links, instructions for using documents also included
15:05:36 <Lisa> q?
15:05:40 <Gareth> +1
15:05:44 <Becca_Monteleone> +1
15:06:01 <Charli> It seems helpful to have it all here
15:06:06 <EA> +present
15:06:07 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Are people happy with agendas included on this document?
15:06:24 <Jan> +1
15:06:26 <Charu> +present
15:06:26 <Lisa> next item
15:07:57 <Charli> q+ about subgroups
15:07:58 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: proposal for two subgroup tracks discussed last week: Guidance and Advice as subgroup track #1, Research as subgroup track #2
15:08:37 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: both on Thursdays. Research at 9 am EST, Guidance at 11 am EST (for now)
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15:09:25 <kirkwood> +preset+
15:09:31 <kirkwood> present+
15:09:32 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Mondays would review what is covered in Thursday groups and calls for consensus
15:10:09 <julierawe> Charu present+
15:11:22 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Are people comfortable with those two tracks?
15:11:37 <Rain> +1
15:11:40 <Becca_Monteleone> +1
15:11:45 <Lisa> ack next
15:11:50 <Gareth> +1
15:12:03 <Becca_Monteleone> Charli: Would there be a 3rd group for Editorial as discussed last week?
15:12:42 <julierawe> q+
15:12:48 <Lisa> ack next
15:12:54 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Editorial is usually with Research - but there may be a need for additional calls to be scheduled when certain projects are in process
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15:13:16 <LenB> present+
15:13:23 <Becca_Monteleone> Julierawe: There may be some editors focused on issue papers so they go to Research. Editors focused on Guidance would go to Guidance calls
15:14:12 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: This would also help because some of the subgroups currently are very small, so this restructure would mean more people would be present
15:14:14 <Lisa> any objecttions
15:14:14 <Jan> +1
15:14:18 <EA> +1
15:14:23 <julierawe> _1
15:14:24 <Charu> +1
15:14:27 <julierawe> +1
15:14:38 <Lisa> ack next
15:14:59 <Lisa> next item
15:15:36 <Rain> End of September
15:15:41 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Schedule for restructure in COGA action items document
15:15:57 <Becca_Monteleone> *new structure for Making Content Usabel
15:16:27 <Becca_Monteleone> Rain: Plan to have it coded in Github by end of September
15:17:22 <Becca_Monteleone> Rain: will not include the final text, will use current text as placeholder text; plan to include the icon draft
15:22:02 <Becca_Monteleone> Julierawe: would call for consensus for new patterns be before or after it goes into template?
15:22:21 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Suggests calls for consensus as they are completed
15:23:40 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: will need to put them on the Monday agendas, but current deadline is for drafting only
15:27:22 <julierawe> q+
15:29:54 <Lisa> ack next
15:30:35 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: asking about process - draft a pattern, share with internationalization, incorporate internationalization feedback, then share with the wider group for consensus?
15:30:48 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Added process to document for clarity
15:31:50 <julierawe> q+
15:32:12 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: which subgroup would review?
15:32:50 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: suggest keeping with Tuesday subgroup since they are already familiar with everything
15:33:37 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: after the first 5 patterns, then eventually this is something guidance subgroup would be more involved in
15:35:18 <Lisa> ack next
15:38:18 <Rachael> present+
15:40:11 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Splitting action items in document to clarify what is necessary for next draft vs. following draft(s)
15:41:21 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Objections or comments?
15:41:22 <Lisa> Q?
15:41:35 <Lisa> next item
15:42:57 <Lisa> Subscribe with this link: https://www.w3.org/users/16320/calendar/export/?secret=81dac90653cf90e5dd97560cc3de5fa2a97beacb
15:43:08 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: on W3C calendar page, scroll to bottom of page, there is header labeled "Export Options" where you can subscribe with a link.
15:43:56 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: In your personal calendar, you can then add this link and it will update it with your w3c events
15:44:14 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: There is also an option to download as ics
15:45:22 <Becca_Monteleone> Charli: Some of the monday and thursday meetings already populate in Outlook calendar
15:45:58 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Roy may be able to help with a walkthrough
15:46:25 <Becca_Monteleone> Julierawe: on W3C website, if you go to the calendar, do all the meetings show up there?
15:46:52 <Lisa> next item
15:46:58 <Becca_Monteleone> Julie will provide walkthrough of W3C calendar after today's meeting
15:49:39 <EA> +q
15:50:16 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: at the beginning of each document, we want a comprehensive statement about who is included
15:50:27 <Becca_Monteleone> q+
15:50:59 <Lisa> Users with disabilities that impact cognitive accessibility include people with:
15:50:59 <Lisa> cognitive, developmental, intellectual, learning, and specific learning disabilities,
15:50:59 <Lisa> language and communication disorders,
15:50:59 <Lisa> neurodivergence,
15:51:00 <Lisa> traumatic brain injury,
15:51:00 <Lisa> mental health impairments, and
15:51:00 <Lisa> temporary impairments that affect cognitive function, such as extreme anxiety, illness and others.
15:51:23 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: better to be redundant and lengthy than to not include certain groups in this statement
15:51:42 <Lisa> ack next
15:52:21 <Becca_Monteleone> EA: do we need to include "people with" in that first line since we already call them users?
15:52:23 <julierawe> q+
15:52:27 <Gareth> +1
15:52:36 <kirkwood> i would want to include aging, or aging related cognitive decline?
15:52:41 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: "those with" can sound othering
15:53:04 <Gareth> stil agree with EA
15:53:11 <julierawe> Alternate wording: "Disabilities that can impact cognitive accessibility include:"
15:53:27 <kirkwood> agreed it doesn’t read correctly
15:53:28 <Rain> Noting that in the age of AI, users are no longer necessarily "people"
15:53:38 <Becca_Monteleone> +1 to julierawe's suggestion
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15:54:00 <kirkwood> q+
15:54:04 <Rain> +1 to Julie's suggestion
15:54:07 <Jan> I like what Lisa just said: "Users who need cognitive accessibility include people with:
15:54:28 <kirkwood> q-
15:55:08 <julierawe> q+
15:55:13 <Rachael> possible wording: "Disabilities that may require cognitive and learning centered accessibility support:"
15:55:30 <Gareth> +1
15:55:40 <Charu> +1
15:57:14 <julierawe> Should we consider rewording in a way to include some "such as" examples? Like "neurodivergence, such as autism" and "learning differences or specific learning disabilities, such as dyslexia and dyscalculia"
15:57:16 <EA> +q
15:57:21 <julierawe> q+
15:58:38 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: hesitant to add examples because they may be nested under several different bullet points. Maybe a sentence at the end?
15:58:51 <Gareth> +q
15:59:03 <Lisa> ack next
16:00:26 <Becca_Monteleone> Becca_Monteleone: suggest striking "extreme" from qualifying anxiety
16:00:47 <Lisa> ack next
16:01:22 <Charli> q+
16:01:27 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: "anxiety" seems to be the only specific in the list - so maybe there's a separate bulleted list with more specifics for someone scanning or searching the document
16:01:58 <Lisa> ack next
16:02:04 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Asking for comments in document
16:02:22 <Becca_Monteleone> EA: impact vs. affect - commented onto docuemnt
16:03:07 <Becca_Monteleone> EA: "affect" suggests on-going, more nuanced
16:03:16 <Lisa> ack next
16:03:55 <Becca_Monteleone> Gareth: Suggest list should be in one place with a link to it so that we can easily cite it across documents
16:04:07 <Jan> +1 to Gareth's comment about having one universal list
16:04:32 <Lisa> ack next
16:04:50 <Jan> Have to drop
16:05:21 <julierawe> +1 to Charli's comment about all mental health impairments affecting cognitive function
16:05:32 <Becca_Monteleone> Charli: may not need to qualify "mental health impairments" with "that affect cognitive function"
16:06:15 <Becca_Monteleone> Charli: +1 to having a laundry list of specific examples so people know they are included
16:06:36 <Becca_Monteleone> Need to drop - sorry!
16:07:55 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:07:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/21-coga-minutes.html Lisa
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