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15:56:39 <ktk> meeting:  RDF-Star WG biweekly meeting
15:56:51 <ktk> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/40c79d60-8147-4da7-8185-c39434216daf/20250717T120000/
15:56:51 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:56:51 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/07/03-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/07/10-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:56:51 <agendabot> agenda+ Proposal for next week's discussion
15:56:51 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:56:52 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
15:56:55 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue Triage, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
15:56:55 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:56:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
15:56:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:57:00 <ktk> RRSAgent, make log public
15:57:07 <ktk> present+
15:57:54 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/07/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:57:54 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/07/18-rdf-star-minutes.html
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15:58:29 <TallTed> present+
15:58:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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16:02:01 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
16:02:01 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/07/03-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/07/10-rdf-star-minutes.html --
16:02:04 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
16:02:18 <pfps> minutes look fine to me
16:02:28 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from last two meetings
16:02:32 <ora> +1
16:02:36 <ktk> +1
16:02:40 <tl> +1
16:02:45 <doerthe> +1
16:02:46 <niklasl> +1
16:02:50 <pfps> +1
16:03:03 <AndyS> present+
16:03:03 <AndyS> +1
16:03:03 <Dominik_T> +0 (I was absent)
16:03:16 <AZ> +0 (was not present)
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16:03:21 <gtw> +1
16:03:32 <TallTed> +1
16:03:50 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from last two meetings
16:03:56 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:03:56 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Proposal for next week's discussion -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:04:05 <ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6
16:04:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:04:48 <ora> q?
16:04:49 <doerthe> ora: should we pick a few topics to discuss and then do triage etc.?
16:05:06 <TallTed> present+ fsasaki
16:05:13 <ktk> q+https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/170
16:05:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/170 -> Issue 170 treatment of structures that are not RDF graphs (by pfps) [duplicate] [needs discussion]
16:05:14 <AZ> s/+0 (was not present)/+0.5 (was not present 3rd July)
16:05:16 <doerthe> ktk: maybe we put the new issues on top?
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16:05:26 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/68
16:05:27 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/68 -> Pull Request 68 Add language to require that only valid IRIs ... (by gkellogg) [needs discussion] [spec:substantive] [test:needs tests]
16:05:27 <Souri> present+
16:05:29 <james> present+
16:05:31 <doerthe> ora: good idea
16:05:40 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/pull/126
16:05:41 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/pull/126 -> Pull Request 126 Some improved language, punctuation, and markup in rdf-semantics (by TallTed) [needs discussion] [propose closing] [spec:editorial]
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16:06:57 <ora> ack pfps
16:07:03 <TallTed> ack
16:07:16 <doerthe> ktk: can we start with 126,  then 78 and 170?
16:07:21 <TallTed> ack next
16:07:29 <william-vw> present+
16:07:36 <ora> ack AndyS
16:07:46 <doerthe> pfps: 170 and 78 can be combined
16:08:11 <doerthe> AndaY: should we put some PR as priority to get towards PR?
16:08:57 <gkellogg> present+
16:08:57 <doerthe> ora: we take the two pfps mentioned and then see where we go, would that be ok?
16:09:08 <AndyS> s/AndaY/AndyS/
16:10:24 <doerthe> AndyS:  sometimes we loose focus and forget about the "small" thinks relevant for CR
16:10:36 <ktk> q?
16:10:49 <AndyS> s/170 and 78/170 and 68/
16:10:51 <doerthe> ora: I think we could do then a discussion item "relevant for CR"
16:11:01 <Dominik_T> rrsagent, please draft the minutes
16:11:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-rdf-star-minutes.html Dominik_T
16:11:33 <AZ> s/then 78/then 68
16:11:47 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:11:47 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:11:52 <doerthe> ora: I hope that the CR discussion will be more on the administrative side. As I hear no objections, we simply do it.
16:12:58 <pfps> q+
16:12:59 <ktk> reference: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/159
16:13:00 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/159 -> Action 159 write a non-normative description (in "what's new") about what properties can or should link to triple terms (on rdfguy) due 2025-05-08
16:13:12 <ora> ack pfps
16:13:12 <doerthe> ora: 159 is on my, I will finish that today
16:13:34 <doerthe> pfps: 148 has a PR related to it, can we close it?
16:14:08 <doerthe> ora: what is blocking us?
16:14:39 <doerthe> pfps: some things which should be done before accorfding to the discussion, but that should not stop us
16:14:52 <doerthe> ora: then we close, information is still around
16:15:13 <doerthe> ora: where are we with teh RDF Shema todo?
16:15:28 <ktk> context: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/162
16:15:29 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/162 -> Action 162 make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45 (on domel) due 2025-06-12
16:15:53 <AndyS> s/teh RDF Shema/the RDF Schema/
16:15:56 <doerthe> s/Shema/Schema
16:16:20 <doerthe> ora: there seem to be trouble with the audio, we come back to it
16:17:01 <doerthe> ora: niklasl, where are we with 150?
16:17:43 <doerthe> niklasl: we are in the middle of it, I will be traveling, but pa and I will coordinate and solve that
16:18:09 <doerthe> ora: Dominik_T, could we now discuss the RDF Schema plan?
16:18:46 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:18:46 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:19:11 <niklasl> q+
16:19:11 <pfps> I also lost audio and had to reconnect
16:19:20 <ora> ack niklasl
16:19:59 <doerthe> niklasl: I think 214 is ready for merging now
16:20:06 <TallTed> I haven't seen latest edits. please wait a efw hours
16:20:09 <doerthe> ... if editors approve of course
16:20:34 <pchampin> q+
16:20:35 <doerthe> TallTed: please wait for me
16:20:59 <doerthe> niklasl: sure
16:21:00 <ora> ack pchampin
16:21:13 <gkellogg> q+
16:22:13 <doerthe> pchampin: I want to report about 212 and 213, They are alternatives and we only need to approve one
16:22:49 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:23:10 <doerthe> ... there were some concerns with version 213 that AndyS raised, but I think apart from that they are both fine
16:23:58 <AndyS> q+
16:24:21 <ora> ack AndyS
16:25:51 <doerthe> gkellogg:I had a note about N-triples (#68), we need to discuss, I would like to get feedback
16:25:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/68 -> CLOSED Action 68 check out PRs against GitHub wiki pages (on pfps) due 29 Jun 2023
16:26:07 <doerthe> pfps: that is related to the discussion topic for next week
16:26:29 <doerthe> ora: then we can hopefully add that to the discussion
16:28:01 <TallTed> s|(#68), we|(https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/68), we|
16:29:32 <doerthe> gkellogg: I think we need to discuss this in a meeting because this is blocking
16:29:33 <TallTed> s|https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/68 |https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/68 |
16:29:34 <TallTed> s/CLOSED Action 68 check out PRs against GitHub wiki pages (on pfps) due 29 Jun 2023|Add language to require that only valid IRIs .../
16:29:46 <doerthe> ora: Then we discuss it next week
16:29:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:30:55 <doerthe> ora: is semantics #137 the one you wanted to close, pfps?
16:30:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/137 -> CLOSED Action 137 create label spec:new-feature, and add reference to class-X in the relevant label descriptions (on afs, pchampin) due 2024-11-28
16:31:09 <pfps> Zoom keeps on stopping audio and I have to rejoin
16:32:00 <doerthe> pchampin: I think it is the one, so we can assume that it is the one and pfps will take care of it
16:32:21 <pchampin> s|https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/137 -> CLOSED Action 137 create label spec:new-feature, and add reference to class-X in the relevant label descriptions (on afs, pchampin) due 2024-11-28|
16:33:05 <niklasl> q+
16:33:12 <pfps> As far as #137 goes, I made a change in response to a request from Ted and I'm waiting for him to see the change.  I'll add him as a reviewer to make this explicit.
16:33:21 <doerthe> ora: are there more things which could be merged? what about the tests?
16:33:28 <ora> ack niklasl
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16:34:17 <niklasl> (https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/205 )
16:34:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/205 -> Pull Request 205 Add test for entailment of literal type (by niklasl)
16:34:23 <doerthe> niklasl: we still need to update the manifest for 1.1, that should be another PR
16:35:20 <doerthe> gkellogg: #209 in RDF tests needs review
16:35:20 <gb> Issue 209 not found
16:35:38 <gkellogg> w3c/rdf-tests#209
16:35:38 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/209 -> Pull Request 209 Adds directional language-tagged string tests … (by gkellogg) [Semantics]
16:35:49 <pfps> q+
16:35:55 <ora> ack pfps
16:36:21 <doerthe> pfps: what is the status of the test pr tests of #200
16:36:21 <gb> Issue 200 not found
16:37:00 <doerthe> gkellogg: there have been some comments I worked on, should be fine now
16:38:06 <doerthe> gkellogg: meta comment on tests, we have manifests from 1.2 we might want to combine with the new ones
16:38:25 <gkellogg> manifest.ttl and manifest-az.ttl
16:38:30 <doerthe> niklasl: that is part of pr #rdf-star201
16:38:56 <doerthe> ora: what about 79, the protocol manifest?
16:39:12 <niklasl> s/#rdf-star201/rdf-tests#209/
16:40:22 <doerthe> gkellogg: that is also about the tool chain building the manifest, maybe we can get some feedback on that
16:40:37 <gtw> I'll try to take another look at it.
16:41:16 <AndyS> q+
16:41:25 <ora> ack AndyS
16:41:25 <doerthe> .. The PR is also about how to write the manifest and I'd like to get feedback
16:41:43 <doerthe> AndyS: is the vocabulary behind documented somewhere?
16:41:59 <doerthe> gkellogg: yes
16:42:17 <doerthe> AndyS: I think we should include the link then
16:42:21 <niklasl> https://www.w3.org/TR/HTTP-in-RDF10/ correct?
16:42:33 <doerthe> gekellogg: I will try to add it
16:42:49 <gkellogg> ht: http://www.w3.org/2011/http#
16:43:11 <gkellogg> s/gekellogg/gkellogg/
16:43:13 <ktk> q?
16:43:20 <pchampin> q+
16:43:30 <doerthe> ora: gregg williams, would you have a look?
16:43:45 <doerthe> gregg williams: sure
16:44:02 <gtw> s/gregg williams:/gtw:/
16:44:26 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/pull/245 -> Pull Request 245 Adds links to algebraic syntax symbols within the translation section (by hartig)
16:44:59 <doerthe> ora: what about sparql #245?
16:45:00 <gb> Issue 245 not found
16:45:06 <ktk> regrets+ olaf
16:45:26 <ora> ack pchampin
16:45:30 <doerthe> gtw: olaf sugested to first focus on the "core issues"
16:45:53 <niklasl> q+
16:46:01 <doerthe> TallTed: I am fine with waiting
16:46:02 <ora> ack niklasl
16:47:38 <gkellogg> q+
16:47:40 <doerthe> niklasl: the css things, dark mode etc. - I have some suggestions I tried (to be checked further)
16:48:06 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:48:47 <doerthe> gkellogg: I like the direction it is going but I think we should wait with that till after CR
16:48:55 <AndyS> q+
16:49:03 <tl> q+
16:49:04 <doerthe> ora: then I am fine with waiting
16:49:08 <ora> ack AndyS
16:49:35 <pchampin> q+
16:49:57 <doerthe> AndyS: When we go to CR, will that be a document at the same place where we are editing? then there could be a problem if we still work on it
16:50:32 <niklasl> q+
16:51:21 <doerthe> pchampin: the common practice is to "freeze" the CR version and further work on the editors version
16:51:45 <pchampin> ack pchampin
16:51:45 <ora> ack tl
16:51:54 <ora> ack niklasl
16:52:18 <doerthe> niklasl: will the cross document references in the CR work?
16:53:46 <doerthe> tl: question for niklasl, will you be around next week, just for scibing
16:54:19 <doerthe> niklasl: no, I can't scribe
16:54:30 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:54:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
16:56:11 <william-vw> ora can you share this linkedin list?
16:56:52 <william-vw> (I already know it's bad since it doesn't include some pivotal technologies!)
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