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13:38:36 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:38:47 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/3d8e05fe-09ac-4406-91ee-50e6ad47529d/20250717T150000/
13:38:47 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:38:47 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:38:47 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:38:49 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:38:51 <agendabot> agenda+ Review RADAR Review
13:38:53 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:38:53 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:38:57 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:39:05 <addison> agenda+ Floating time article
13:41:47 <addison> agenda+ Double-check our issue 1935
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13:56:42 <addison> present+ Addison
14:00:08 <addison> present+ Fuqiao
14:00:24 <addison> present+ Bert
14:01:34 <addison> present+ Atsushi
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14:04:34 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:04:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:40 <addison> agenda?
14:04:52 <atsushi> scribe+
14:05:34 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:34 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:53 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
14:06:04 <addison> #176
14:06:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/176 -> Action 176  add WG comment to html 11395 (on aphillips) due 2025-07-03
14:06:17 <addison> #175
14:06:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/175 -> Action 175  respond to our #2005 (on aphillips) due 2025-06-26
14:06:25 <atsushi> addison: #176 working on
14:06:25 <addison> close #175
14:06:28 <gb> Closed -> issue #175 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/175
14:06:29 <atsushi> ... #175 done
14:06:34 <addison> #173
14:06:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/173 -> Action 173  ping zainab (on aphillips) due 2025-06-19
14:06:47 <atsushi> ... #173 haven't heard anything yet
14:07:02 <atsushi> ... close this, and will take another action to ping
14:07:07 <addison> #169
14:07:08 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/169 -> Action 169  reply to html 10843 and css 9832 (on aphillips) due 2025-05-08
14:07:26 <addison> #162
14:07:27 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/162 -> Action 162  poll I18N/CSS for new day/time (on aphillips) due 2025-03-25
14:07:38 <atsushi> ... #162, ping but no responce yet
14:08:01 <atsushi> ... I may escalate this to CSS WG, whether WG is interested in or not
14:08:11 <addison> #157
14:08:11 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/157 -> Action 157  write glossary proposal identifying options and next steps for those options (on aphillips) due 2025-02-20
14:08:12 <atsushi> ... so, action is done, but open another
14:08:22 <addison> #135
14:08:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
14:08:32 <addison> #127
14:08:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127  make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
14:08:41 <addison> #3
14:08:42 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/3 -> CLOSED Action 3 Give ghurlbot access to write to the repo (on r12a) due 18 Jul 2023
14:08:44 <addison> #33
14:08:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:09:02 <addison> #7
14:09:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:09:12 <addison> #4
14:09:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
14:09:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:09:19 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:09:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:09:50 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:59 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
14:10:07 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming
14:10:17 <atsushi> ... any other progress?
14:10:26 <atsushi> [silent]
14:10:28 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:10:28 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:10:39 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
14:10:53 <atsushi> addison: nothing new here
14:10:55 <addison> agenda?
14:11:09 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:11:09 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Double-check our issue 1935 -- taken up [from addison]
14:11:14 <addison> #1935
14:11:14 <gb> Issue 1935 not found
14:11:21 <addison> i18n-activity#1935
14:11:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1935 -> Issue 1935 Unicode identifiers in the WAT format (by xfq) [close?] [needs-resolution] [s:wasm-core] [t:markup_identifiers] [cg:webassembly]
14:11:26 <atsushi> addison: quick q? issue above
14:11:37 <addison> https://github.com/WebAssembly/spec/issues/1843
14:11:38 <gb> https://github.com/WebAssembly/spec/issues/1843 -> CLOSED Issue 1843 Unicode identifiers in the WAT format (by xfq) [i18n-needs-resolution]
14:11:48 <atsushi> ... is this issue, previously discussed on character identifiers
14:12:11 <atsushi> ... told them we will not raise formal objection previously, and in result no change made
14:12:31 <atsushi> ... do we want to say anything before advancing?
14:13:14 <atsushi> addison: they only permits id with ascii
14:13:29 <addison> https://github.com/WebAssembly/spec/issues/1618
14:13:29 <gb> https://github.com/WebAssembly/spec/issues/1618 -> CLOSED Issue 1618 relax the var to allow utf8 encoding in the wat syntax (by bobzhang) [i18n-tracker]
14:14:06 <atsushi> addison: many ascii string identifier definitions have been developed so far
14:14:18 <xfq> https://github.com/WebAssembly/spec/issues/1843
14:14:26 <atsushi> xfq: that's old one, and filed new as above
14:14:31 <atsushi> ... for clarification
14:14:59 <atsushi> ... they allow escaped Unicode identifiers or just use ascii
14:15:37 <atsushi> addison: want to ask again or?
14:16:02 <atsushi> JcK: if they are sufficient with escaped identifier, should be fine?
14:17:26 <atsushi> xfq: they require escaping for all non-ascii identifiers
14:18:57 <xfq> https://github.com/WebAssembly/annotations?tab=readme-ov-file
14:20:04 <atsushi> [all seeking spec text around identifier]
14:20:41 <addison> https://www.w3.org/TR/wasm-core-2/#names%E2%91%A0
14:21:10 <xfq> https://webassembly.github.io/annotations/core/text/values.html#text-id
14:21:17 <atsushi> https://webassembly.github.io/spec/core/text/lexical.html#characters
14:21:25 <atsushi> While source text may contain any Unicode character in comments or string literals, the rest of the grammar is formed exclusively from the characters supported by the 7-bit ASCII subset of Unicode.
14:22:24 <r12a> https://webassembly.github.io/spec/core/bikeshed/#characters%E2%91%A0
14:23:11 <addison> https://webassembly.github.io/spec/core/bikeshed/#text-idchar
14:23:35 <r12a> https://webassembly.github.io/spec/core/bikeshed/#strings%E2%91%A0
14:24:10 <r12a> https://webassembly.github.io/spec/core/bikeshed/#identifiers%E2%91%A0
14:24:30 <atsushi> addison: should say anything? any good reason to ask changes?
14:26:52 <addison> agenda?
14:27:07 <xfq> "Indices can be given in both numeric and symbolic form. Symbolic identifiers that stand in lieu of indices start with
14:27:07 <xfq> , followed by eiter a sequence of printable ASCII characters that does not contain a space, quotation mark, comma, semicolon, or bracket, or by a quoted name."
14:27:15 <xfq> "or by a quoted name"
14:27:16 <atsushi> xfq: found that identifier itself is defined by above text
14:27:30 <xfq> "Names are strings denoting a literal character sequence. A name string must form a valid UTF-8 encoding as defined by Unicode (Section 2.5) and is interpreted as a string of Unicode scalar values."
14:27:47 <atsushi> xfq: this is what they define
14:29:00 <atsushi> addison: close tracker issue.
14:29:07 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:29:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:29:14 <addison> close i18n-activity#1935
14:29:14 <gb> Cannot close issue #1935 -> ghurlbot does not have the correct permissions to execute `CloseIssue`
14:29:30 <xfq> present+ r12a
14:29:35 <xfq> present+ JcK
14:29:37 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:29:37 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Floating time article -- taken up [from addison]
14:29:59 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-floating-times.en
14:30:21 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20%5Bquestions%2Fqa-floating-times%5D
14:30:21 <atsushi> xfq: we have sent out floating time article for review
14:30:29 <atsushi> ... we have several issues there
14:31:06 <atsushi> addison: one reason not published is temporal part is not fixed yet
14:31:22 <atsushi> ... best practices are still evolving on this front
14:31:33 <xfq> s/temporal part is not fixed yet/Temporal has been making progress in JS/
14:31:40 <atsushi> ... separate activity on format side
14:32:06 <atsushi> ... probably not suitable to evolve until things setlled
14:32:21 <atsushi> xfq: so, wait until Temporal, and semantics format in Unicode?
14:32:26 <atsushi> addison: correct
14:32:35 <atsushi> ... message format is under development
14:32:39 <xfq> s/semantics format/Semantic Skeletons/
14:33:22 <atsushi> [situation around external development]
14:33:22 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:33:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:34:09 <addison> agenda?
14:34:44 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/issues/662
14:34:45 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/issues/662 -> Issue 662 Untranslated word in the Japanese boilerplate (by xfq)
14:35:13 <addison> zakim, take up agemdum 6
14:35:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up agemdum 6', addison
14:35:15 <atsushi> xfq: need to be checked by Atsushi
14:35:22 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:35:22 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:35:25 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/622
14:35:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/622 -> Pull Request 622 Initial work on address formats (by xfq)
14:35:46 <atsushi> xfq: PR about address format above, should be interested by all
14:35:53 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/blob/xfq/address-2024/questions/qa-address-formats.en.md
14:36:04 <atsushi> addison: check preview
14:36:37 <atsushi> ... still working on, or agenda+?
14:37:00 <atsushi> xfq: this is draft, Richard already give comment and under iteration, and is fine to be agenda+
14:49:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:49:58 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:49:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/17-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:50:04 <addison> zakim, who is here?
14:50:04 <Zakim> Present: Addison, Fuqiao, Bert, Atsushi, r12a, JcK
14:50:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see addison, RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, atsushi, gb, csarven, jyasskin, agendabot, fantasai, xfq, alastairc, koji, astearns, Rachael, cwilso, Bert, florian
14:50:06 <addison> zakim, bye
14:50:06 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Fuqiao, Bert, Atsushi, r12a, JcK
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