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10:41:44 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
10:41:54 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
10:42:00 <janina> Date: 16 Jul 2025
10:42:06 <janina> Chair: Janina
10:42:26 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
10:42:26 <janina> agenda+ Charter review
10:42:26 <janina> agenda+ New on TR
10:42:26 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
10:42:26 <janina> agenda+ [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
10:42:29 <janina> agenda+ Other business
10:42:31 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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13:55:51 <janina> present+
13:55:56 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:55:56 <Zakim> Present: janina
13:55:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, wendyreid, janina, gb, jcraig, jyasskin, slightlyoff, Roy_Ruoxi, vmpstr, alastairc, hdv, chrishtr, Rachael, tink, ada
13:56:29 <janina> agenda?
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13:59:15 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
13:59:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/16-apa-minutes.html matatk
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14:04:04 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:04:04 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:04:39 <niklasegger> janina: Standard agenda, some additional items
14:04:45 <niklasegger> zakim, close this item
14:04:45 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:04:46 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:04:46 <Zakim> 2. Charter review [from janina]
14:04:49 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:04:49 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Charter review -- taken up [from janina]
14:05:30 <matatk> AC reps' survey on the charter - please vote if you can! https://www.w3.org/wbs/33280/apawg-recharter-2025/
14:05:39 <matatk> Proposed charter (full): https://www.w3.org/2025/06/apa-wg-charter.html
14:05:51 <niklasegger> janina: Voting expires in about a week, 24th, middle of the night, Boston time
14:05:51 <matatk> Proposed charter (diff): https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2023%2F07%2Fapa-wg-charter.html&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2025%2F06%2Fapa-wg-charter.html
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14:06:52 <niklasegger> janina: Right now, we don't have enough positive feedback, need still more to feel confident. I will go through our member list
14:08:13 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:09:53 <matatk> topic: Upcoming presentation on Accessibility Compatibility Data
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14:11:52 <niklasegger> matatk: This is about the Base Line Initiative. So about the "safe" features, that you as a web content developer can rely on, that the browser supports these. The problem is: It doesn't consider how well AT supported theses features are.
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14:14:13 <niklasegger> matatk: This has been a known issue and they want to fix it. At the moment, work is being done, by Lola (couldn't hear surname). She will join in August this call and give us a presentation.  We want to make sure, we get as many people as possible to this call.
14:15:00 <matatk> q?
14:15:31 <niklasegger> janina: As this is a really important topic, we will probably record the presentation but not the discussion following it so we are free to share our ideas and comments
14:15:59 <janina> q?
14:16:01 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:16:01 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New on TR -- taken up [from janina]
14:16:09 <janina> q?
14:17:07 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: Nothing new
14:17:11 <niklasegger> zakim, close this item
14:17:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:17:12 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:17:12 <Zakim> 4. [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) [from janina]
14:17:15 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:17:15 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:17:46 <niklasegger> matatk: No spec review at the moment
14:17:49 <niklasegger> zakim, close this item
14:17:49 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:17:50 <matatk> s/(couldn't hear surname)/Odelola/
14:17:51 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:17:51 <Zakim> 5. [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) [from janina]
14:17:51 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:17:52 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from janina]
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14:19:02 <niklasegger> matatk: We have a few, some old, some new, so I grouped them in the agenda. We will do them in order here:
14:19:05 <PaulG> this loads a blank page for me (?)
14:19:39 <matatk> subtopic: Proposal: New attribute alt-origin to indicate provenance of alt text (machine vs. human authored)
14:19:39 <matatk> source: whatwg/html#11448
14:19:39 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/243
14:20:26 <janina> q?
14:20:44 <mike_beganyi> q+
14:20:44 <JenStrickland> q+
14:20:46 <niklasegger> matatk: Did someone look through this, any thoughts?
14:20:50 <PaulG> q+
14:21:04 <Neha> q+
14:21:53 <niklasegger> Dr_Keith: Why would we want to include whether alt text is machine generated of human generated versus just wondering if it's correct?
14:21:59 <janina> q?
14:22:32 <JenStrickland> Some of us got in queue to respond to the question.
14:22:40 <janina> ack mi
14:22:42 <niklasegger> matatk: Good question. Looking though the GitHub Issue a few people have the same question.
14:23:02 <janina> ack je
14:23:39 <matatk> q+ to plus-one Jennifer
14:24:19 <matatk> Credible Web CG: https://www.w3.org/community/credibility/
14:24:23 <niklasegger> mike_beganyi: Yeah, I agree with the comments by Steve and and Leonie, who had good points.
14:25:13 <janina> ack pa
14:25:38 <niklasegger> JenStrickland: Same, the idea is nice but I think it's off track.
14:25:54 <janina> ack ne
14:25:58 <janina> q+
14:26:32 <janina> ack ma
14:26:32 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to plus-one Jennifer
14:27:03 <niklasegger> PaulG: Another point: A visual indicator would also be necessary and not only a disclaimer for robots and AT users
14:27:08 <Fazio> q+
14:28:01 <Fazio> It's akin to automated testing vs manual
14:28:41 <niklasegger> matatk: The Credible group is doing important work in this context, see the link above if you are interested.
14:29:07 <Fazio> I think its useful
14:29:50 <niklasegger> matatk: I wonder if we could come to consensus on this and write an APA comment, not just from individual members
14:29:59 <janina> q?
14:31:04 <Fazio> all companies want scale. This allows scale
14:31:46 <janina> ack df
14:31:55 <matatk> ack janina
14:31:56 <janina> ack ja
14:31:57 <janina> ack fa
14:32:20 <Neha> +1 Fazio
14:32:59 <matatk> subtopic: Add showValidationMessage() method for validation without focus management
14:32:59 <matatk> source: whatwg/html#11416
14:32:59 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/239
14:34:07 <janina> q?
14:35:30 <niklasegger> matatk: The current reportValidity function auto refocuses the invalid element. So trapping focus, bad UX, accessibility problems
14:36:21 <JenStrickland> I also agree with you and Paul. It's a valuable fix.
14:37:56 <niklasegger> matatk: Paul and I both think this proposal is a good idea. Someone from WHATWG added a "maybe" comment. Could help with a11y but also backfire in some cases
14:38:15 <PaulG> bit.ly/a11yform
14:38:17 <PaulG> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1g6mFUI7TOzBquvQiAPBaUlycvbFcKod9ZI7-wO-XGTk/mobilepresent?slide=id.p
14:38:45 <niklasegger> matatk: I can draft something in our tracking thread and later post the comment, when there is no disagreement
14:39:21 <niklasegger> PaulG: Pauls presentation is really useful and will us it in the comment
14:39:33 <niklasegger> ... sorry comment from Matthew
14:40:32 <matatk> subtopic: [css-env][css-fonts] New `<meta text-scale>` tag to make UA initial font size respond to OS text scale setting
14:40:32 <matatk> source: w3c/csswg-drafts#12380
14:40:32 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/241
14:41:01 <niklasegger> matatk: My initial thought is fantastic
14:41:26 <niklasegger> PaulG: I agree, that's why I added it
14:42:56 <janina> q?
14:43:39 <niklasegger> matatk: Any objections if we say APA likes this
14:43:49 <niklasegger> matatk: (No objections) Awesome will do it
14:46:18 <matatk> subtopic: [css-anchor-position-1] Improve accessibility guidance
14:46:18 <matatk> source: w3c/csswg-drafts#10311
14:46:18 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/230
14:47:34 <niklasegger> matatk: We talked about this before. They asked for a11y guidance, because they wanted better examples as to how to use it and maybe not to use it
14:48:42 <JenStrickland> q+
14:49:20 <janina> q?
14:49:22 <janina> ack je
14:49:39 <niklasegger> matatk: Paul and Neha added ideas examples to our tracking issue. We still need a tooltip and a disclosure example that uses anchor positioning and a bit of ARIA
14:50:07 <janina> q?
14:51:41 <niklasegger> s/ideas examples/ideas and examples
14:53:41 <niklasegger> matatk: Once we've got the missing examples, I'm happy to write some text and maybe Paul can check it
14:54:01 <niklasegger> Neha: I will write the missing examples
14:55:14 <niklasegger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/16-apa-minutes.html niklasegger
14:55:33 <niklasegger> (end of meeting)
14:55:35 <niklasegger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/16-apa-minutes.html niklasegger
14:55:50 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:55:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, matatk, Fazio, PaulG, niklasegger, JenStrickland, mike_beganyi, Neha, Dr_Keith
14:55:52 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:55:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/16-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:55:58 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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