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15:04:18 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), PaulG
15:04:18 <matatk> present+
15:04:35 <PaulG> agenda+ Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements
15:04:35 <PaulG> agenda+ Other Business
15:04:54 <matatk> agenda?
15:05:07 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:05:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements -- taken up [from PaulG]
15:05:24 <matatk> zakim, close this item
15:05:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:05:25 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:05:25 <Zakim> 2. Other Business [from PaulG]
15:05:47 <matatk> topic: Administrivia
15:05:55 <matatk> present+
15:05:58 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:06:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-pronunciation-minutes.html matatk
15:06:07 <PaulG> present+
15:06:46 <matatk> matatk: Proposing to make status changes to the docs, now we've got at least most of the way with the PRs. Changes per email: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pronunciation/2025Jul/0005.html
15:07:03 <matatk> DRAFT RESOLUTION: Deprecate the Gap Analysis and Use Cases document at
15:07:03 <matatk> <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-gap-analysis-and-use-cases/>, and refer
15:07:03 <matatk> instead to the separate Use Cases (at
15:07:03 <matatk> <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-use-cases/>), and Gap Analysis (at
15:07:05 <matatk> <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-gap-analysis/>), documents.
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15:09:41 <matatk> RESOLUTION: Deprecate the Gap Analysis and Use Cases document at <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-gap-analysis-and-use-cases/>, and refer instead to the separate Use Cases (at <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-use-cases/>), and Gap Analysis (at <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-gap-analysis/>), documents.
15:10:08 <matatk> DRAFT RESOLUTION: Deprecate the User Scenarios document at <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-user-scenarios/>, and refer instead to the Use Cases document (at <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-use-cases/>).
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15:10:32 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:10:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-pronunciation-minutes.html matatk
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15:11:07 <matatk> RESOLUTION: Deprecate the User Scenarios document at <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-user-scenarios/>, and refer instead to the Use Cases document (at <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-use-cases/>).
15:11:11 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:11:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-pronunciation-minutes.html matatk
15:11:26 <IrfanA> +1
15:14:57 <matatk> matatk: *discusses next steps as per https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/119 *
15:14:58 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/119 -> Action 119 TF edits on use cases (on AutoSponge, matatk, alia11y)
15:15:30 <matatk> PaulG: We could use Steve Faulkner's help on some of the upcoming stuff, e.g. introducing us to what and who we need to know to move the work on.
15:15:32 <matatk> scribe+
15:15:38 <matatk> PaulG: Steve and Scott worked on ARIA in HTML
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15:21:10 <matatk> Combined use cases doc: https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/use-cases/
15:24:19 <matatk> matatk: Any thoughts on this? We need to refocus it on user needs, not tech.
15:24:40 <matatk> Alan: The document seems to act as if web speech supports SSML, which it doesn't to a large extent. We can't rely on that.
15:25:31 <matatk> matatk: Could you check to see if the Gap Analysis - https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/gap-analysis/ - is up to date?
15:25:50 <matatk> Alan: SSML seemed to disappear when switching to Edge/Chromium.
15:26:27 <matatk> PaulG: Whilst it's irksome for things like accessibility, the sum of the specs and patterns are aspirational and are meant to encourage support.
15:26:34 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:26:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-pronunciation-minutes.html matatk
15:29:46 <matatk> IrfanA: We have used google docs in the past; could do again.
15:32:31 <matatk> IrfanA: Timelines?
15:33:00 <matatk> matatk: ASAP :-). Would be good if by TPAC we have a community-reviewed set of use cases, and solid ideas on how to solve at least some of them.
15:38:34 <PaulG> zakim, end meeting
15:38:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been IrfanA, matatk, PaulG, Alan
15:38:35 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:38:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-pronunciation-minutes.html Zakim
15:38:42 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, PaulG; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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