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11:44:12 <TallTed> agenda: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/data-shapes/refs/heads/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-07-14.md
11:44:12 <agendabot> clear agenda
11:44:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion
11:44:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Process
11:44:14 <TallTed> present+
11:45:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
11:46:33 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/07/07-data-shapes-minutes.html
11:46:33 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/07/21-data-shapes-minutes.html
11:46:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
11:47:07 <TallTed> Chair: Nick
11:47:07 <TallTed> Scribe: Edmond
11:49:13 <TallTed> 07:44:10 <TallTed> agenda: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/data-shapes/refs/heads/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-07-14.md
11:49:20 <TallTed> agenda: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/data-shapes/refs/heads/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-07-14.md
11:49:20 <agendabot> clear agenda
11:49:20 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion
11:49:20 <agendabot> agenda+ Process
11:50:12 <TallTed> agenda: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/data-shapes/refs/heads/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-07-14.md
11:50:12 <agendabot> clear agenda
11:50:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion
11:50:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Process
11:51:12 <TallTed> agenda: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/data-shapes/refs/heads/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-07-14.md
11:51:12 <agendabot> clear agenda
11:51:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion
11:51:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Process
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12:01:25 <TallTed> agenda?
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12:01:34 <edmond> invite zakim
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12:02:12 <edmond> Scribe: edmond
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12:02:18 <edmond> Chair: nick
12:02:22 <AndyS> present+
12:02:28 <edmond> Meeting: # Agenda for 14 July, 2025 Telecon
12:02:33 <edmond> present+ edmond
12:03:01 <simonstey> regrets: simonstey
12:03:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html AndyS
12:03:14 <bergos> present+
12:03:22 <TallTed> s/Meeting: # Agenda/Meeting: Data Shapes WG/
12:03:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:03:54 <edmond> Topic: Improved meeting agenda template
12:04:57 <edmond> nick: slimmed down and better meeting agenda
12:05:34 <TallTed> s/invite zakim//
12:05:34 <TallTed> s/invite rssagent//
12:05:53 <edmond> … explicit agenda points (topics), please put into agenda before meeting
12:06:00 <nicholascar> q?
12:06:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:06:30 <edmond> Topic: Phase 1 deliverables finalisation timeline
12:06:38 <AndyS> zakim, next item
12:06:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Discussion -- taken up [from agendabot]
12:06:45 <edmond> nick: Summary on SHACL Core, SHACL SPARQL and Node Expressions
12:06:51 <AndyS> zakim, close item 1
12:06:51 <Zakim> agendum 1, Discussion, closed
12:06:52 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
12:06:52 <Zakim> 2. Process [from agendabot]
12:07:08 <AndyS> zakim, open item 1
12:07:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Discussion -- taken up [from agendabot]
12:07:27 <ajnelson-nist> q+
12:08:03 <AndyS> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/191
12:08:04 <edmond> HolgerK: added reification and list support
12:08:04 <edmond> … poll is open for list options
12:08:04 <edmond> … ready to start the next phase
12:08:11 <nicholascar> ack ajnelson-nist
12:08:50 <mgberg> q+
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12:09:22 <AndyS> q+ to ask about CR
12:09:32 <edmond> ajnelson-nist: how difficult to change core?
12:09:32 <edmond> nicholascar: not until they are published. We can still incrementally update core docs as needed
12:09:40 <nicholascar> ack mgberg
12:10:34 <nicholascar> q?
12:10:41 <nicholascar> ack AndyS
12:10:41 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask about CR
12:11:16 <HolgerK> q+
12:11:50 <nicholascar> ack HolgerK
12:12:51 <edmond> mgberg: PR #508 ready for review
12:12:51 <edmond> HolgerK: can merge now with 3 approvals
12:12:51 <edmond> AndyS: checking if we are ready to proceed to CR
12:12:51 <edmond> HolgerK: let's give us 3 months more, approx 1st of October before freezing
12:14:46 <edmond> nicholascar: informal notice to wider community for feedback
12:14:59 <nicholascar> q?
12:15:26 <edmond> Topic: Phase 2 status update
12:16:08 <edmond> It is #408 sorry, I will need to fix that up later
12:16:24 <edmond> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/pull/408
12:17:37 <TallTed> s|PR #508 ready|https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/pull/408 |
12:17:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:17:59 <edmond> nicholascar: SHACL profiling thoughts
12:17:59 <edmond> … there are some conceptual challenges for this deliverable
12:17:59 <edmond> … we're going to need some discussion around this to scope it
12:18:05 <nicholascar> q?
12:18:38 <AndyS> scribe+
12:18:55 <AndyS> edmond: SHACL UI processor - work-in-progress
12:18:58 <nicholascar> edmond: I'm getting back into SHACL UI work - a second processor after a year
12:19:10 <AndyS> ... principles from DASH
12:19:52 <AndyS> ... this is a second system and will address a areas not in the first system
12:19:56 <nicholascar> edmond: going back to first principles of SHACL -> UI components for better coverage
12:20:04 <AndyS> scribe-
12:21:02 <TallTed> s/Chair: Nick/Chair: nicholascar/g
12:21:16 <edmond> HolgerK: SHACL UI still mostly what's published on data shapes set of docs
12:21:17 <bergos> +q
12:21:33 <nicholascar> ack bergos
12:21:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:22:27 <edmond> bergos: know most of the existing implementors but not sure if they will join or if there are any recent activities around SHACL UI
12:22:27 <edmond> … SHACL + DASH is currently serving the community's needs
12:22:50 <TallTed> s/Chair: /chair: /g
12:23:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:23:34 <edmond> Topic: Namespace, and namespace document, for SHACL Rules -- srl:
12:24:12 <AndyS> https://gist.github.com/afs/2547eac679b1411acc078959ac2b3d31
12:25:43 <edmond> AndyS: there's a second document with the grammar and the formal model
12:25:44 <edmond> … RDF syntax round trip (also with SHACLC)
12:25:44 <edmond> … defining the algorithms
12:25:44 <edmond> … happy to schedule a session outside this call to discuss in more detail
12:25:56 <TallTed> sr: has at least one known conflict -- https://prefix.cc/sr
12:25:56 <TallTed> srl: has no known conflicts -- https://prefix.cc/srl
12:26:08 <nicholascar> q?
12:26:53 <bergos> +q
12:27:32 <ajnelson-nist> shr: also has no known conflicts, per same resource -- https://prefix.cc/shr
12:28:27 <edmond> TallTed: namespace preferred prefix
12:28:27 <edmond> AndyS: might not be realistic to have different namespaces for every facet of SHACL
12:28:27 <edmond> … conflicts/clashes very likely
12:28:27 <edmond> … thought it'd be good to partition Rules as a separate namespace, but not sure if other features should follow the same pattern
12:28:41 <nicholascar> ack bergos
12:30:19 <edmond> bergos: concerned with namespace proliferation
12:30:19 <edmond> … example: rdf vs rdfs
12:30:50 <edmond> nicholascar: same issue with sosa, ssn, and ssn-ext
12:31:20 <nicholascar> q?
12:32:09 <edmond> nicholascar: please see the poll on whether we should allow list syntax or not
12:32:09 <edmond> … about a week left
12:32:12 <edmond> Topic: Node Expressions
12:34:17 <edmond> DHabgood: would be good to schedule in some meetings with the other editors to start on a draft
12:34:17 <edmond> … see if we can build off of existing docs
12:34:27 <AndyS> q+
12:35:11 <ajnelson-nist> q+
12:35:19 <edmond> Robert: will organise a meeting for this
12:35:19 <edmond> HolgerK: I would like to join
12:35:19 <edmond> … can build off existing sections in the docs around Node Expressions
12:35:46 <nicholascar> q?
12:35:52 <AndyS> URIs for list node expressions / SPARQL -- https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/blob/main/sparql-ns.ttl
12:37:20 <nicholascar> ack AndyS
12:37:20 <edmond> AndyS: reference sparql-ns.ttl, will be an output of SPARQL 1.2
12:37:22 <AndyS> ack AndyS
12:37:29 <nicholascar> ack ajnelson-nist
12:38:23 <edmond> ajnelson-nist: are we carrying forward SHACL AF?
12:38:23 <edmond> … what is still AF and what is core in 1.2?
12:38:23 <edmond> HolgerK: we are not dropping AF but almost all will be moved over to the 1.2 specs
12:38:38 <nicholascar> q?
12:39:33 <edmond> nicholascar: editors, please meet
12:39:33 <edmond> … please see the poll
12:39:33 <edmond> … if you have at least one approval on a PR, please just merge
12:39:39 <TallTed> poll is found via https://www.w3.org/mid/AM7PR05MB6808C6AE4A77BC32636C4C02D94BA@AM7PR05MB6808.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com
12:39:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:39:59 <edmond> rrsagent, make minutes
12:40:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html edmond
12:40:05 <edmond> rrsagent, make log world
12:40:18 <edmond> zakim, end meeting
12:40:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, nicholascar, DHabgood, HolgerK, ajnelson-nist, Robert, elianaP, AndyS, edmond, bergos
12:40:22 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:40:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-data-shapes-minutes.html Zakim
12:40:28 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, edmond; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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12:42:42 <edmond> No problem! It was fun :)
12:42:55 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave us
12:42:55 <RRSAgent> I see no action items