13:56:52 RRSAgent has joined #coga 13:56:56 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-coga-irc 13:56:56 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:56:57 Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 13:56:57 agenda? 13:57:07 agenda+ 13:57:43 agenda+ review of orientation document. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.p64c5smxfdrc 14:17:58 agenda+ introduction to document on issues in engaging. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/14LeA2LCa6sEotMtBhAOM_jMgyaSgjsEw8dYUzctECiw/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.acvxk2x983o6 14:22:17 agenda+ change in the subgroup stucture. see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2025Jul/0002.html 14:23:10 Order is 2, 1, 3 14:24:03 agenda+ subject line for emails. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.p64c5smxfdrc 14:25:22 Agenda Order is 2 1 3 4 14:28:36 Agenda+ short review of orientation document (do we like using tabs also for links). See https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.p64c5smxfdrc 14:29:15 agenda+review document on issues in engaging. and Process suggestions for subgroup actions. 14:31:12 agenda+ (If time) Calendar Subscribe hint with this link: https://www.w3.org/wbs/35422/wcag3_schedule_25/?login= 14:50:19 Lisa has joined #coga 14:50:48 RRSAgent, publish minutes 14:50:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-coga-minutes.html Lisa 14:53:16 agenda+ is survey reopened? 14:53:21 agenda? 14:55:21 agenda order is 8 2 1 3 4 6 7 14:55:26 close item 5 14:56:17 EA has joined #coga 14:56:26 +present 14:57:08 agenda+ meeting this week 14:57:26 agenda order is 9 8 2 1 3 4 6 7 14:57:37 I think I am scribing? 14:57:45 yes, thank you! 14:57:57 Scribe: EA 14:59:28 Gareth has joined #coga 15:00:55 Justine has joined #coga 15:01:13 next item 15:01:56 Reminder from rashmi Mental health meeting Thursday at a later time 11am Boston time 15:02:11 next item 15:02:12 Trigger warning issue paper on the Agend 15:02:21 julierawe has joined #coga 15:02:21 close item 9 15:02:24 present+ 15:02:25 next item 15:02:44 Survey discussed last week - is it open? 15:03:01 Julie - open and closed several times... Julie checking 15:03:05 Charli has joined #coga 15:03:08 close item 8 15:03:11 present+ 15:03:15 next item# 15:03:20 next item 15:04:05 How can people engage with Coga- helping people to get involved. Notes were put together - has it been useful? Sharing screen ... 15:04:28 Link above in IRC 15:06:07 tiffanyburtin has joined #coga 15:06:07 present+ 15:06:14 New people or those involved less frequently may need help where the group has got to - orientation - documented issues around the process - proposal about re-arranging the subroups and processes between subgroups. 15:06:39 Lisa Re the WCAG 3 survey: The survey was re-opened and then closed again. It is still closed. The AG chairs will make an announcement about the status of the survey at tomorrow's AG meeting at 11am ET. 15:06:44 Issues around technical items such as subject lines in emails and problems with technology. Suggestion of a buddy system 15:06:52 Jan has joined #coga 15:07:09 present+_ 15:07:41 I will send an update to the COGA task force after tomorrow's AG meeting when I have more information about the WCAG 3 survey, which is currently closed but may re-open soon. 15:07:48 present+ 15:08:17 I'll be right back... 15:08:17 next item 15:08:19 Lisa has provided context about the issues arising for people wishing to be part of Coga - will go on to discuss what is needed 15:08:52 q+ another issue (can wait until later in meeting) 15:09:15 q+ to ask about another issue 15:09:22 Jennie_Delisi has joined #coga 15:09:26 present+ 15:09:46 Looking at Action items. Lis added some more tabs including orientation and training 15:10:28 List went through the expectations if you join coga. 15:11:19 ack next 15:11:19 Charli, you wanted to ask about another issue 15:11:34 LenB has joined #coga 15:11:40 present+ 15:12:38 Charli mention where she finds it hard trying to find out which document is being reviewed. Need provide a link and then to pause before starting to review the contents 15:13:54 q+ 15:14:21 Lisa aims to do this on all occasions and the links may be repeated but this issue has been added to the Actions doc. 15:14:24 ack next 15:15:21 Justine wondered if it would help to give an overview before going through the document. 15:16:11 Added issues around subgroups 15:17:41 Q? 15:17:52 Lisa asked if there were any other queries 15:18:07 Charli and Gareth are going to take look at the document 15:18:27 Lisa asked about the use of 'tabs' 15:19:16 Was it helpful to have all the documents linked as tabs 15:19:39 +1 with tabs 15:19:55 +1 with tabs 15:19:59 Tiffany +1 with tabs 15:20:04 +1 to tabs 15:21:08 Lisa felt it was going in the direction of tabs similar to GitHub 15:22:01 I really like that we essentially have a manilla folder of a collection of related documents. Very helpful. 15:22:18 Charli was worried that she might be finding the tabs could confuse when the pointing is happening to a different document - but actually it is just that a different tab is being used. 15:22:29 If we are going to use tabs, can we keep them in alphabetical order in case the list gets longer? 15:23:03 Is there a problem with them being alphabetical as it is a concertina? 15:23:31 LenB has joined #coga 15:23:40 present+ 15:24:02 We could add a numbering of importance if that would help 15:24:13 q+ 15:24:24 ack next 15:24:33 +1 for order of importance 15:24:49 Julia add the levels of importance 15:24:56 next item 15:25:14 May need to re-visit some of the ideas next month 15:25:53 Helping people engagin with coga has a suggestions section - may add ideas to this document 15:27:28 LenB has joined #coga 15:27:38 Went through the tasks being worked on. Updating Content Usable, research, advice and support work of parent groups 15:30:02 Divide coga into giving advice... Monday meeting - working on structure and internationalisation etc. and then once a month those working on research join the groups. 15:31:07 The Thurday call could be more about research - working on particular topics. Have a regular all on their own topics - only join the Monday calls when there is a link up. 15:31:29 David mentioned that so much is going on - confusion sets in so try to split up with work. 15:32:14 However, there can be so may overlaps that people joining and groups can become harder to organise. 15:33:52 Would the overall gathering once a month make the involvement less challenging. So two main focus topics - advice and research? Then have the other subdivsions 15:36:39 q+ 15:36:40 Len felt that might well work with a division of effort but concerned that bottle necks may occur and it could be that just the sheer workload is an issue rather than the way time is spent on it all 15:37:37 Exeternal factors may also have an impact - such as WCAG 3 taking up more time. 15:38:16 Jennie suggested that maybe there could be breakout rooms for speedy comments about specific subgroups 15:38:55 ack next 15:39:40 q+ 15:39:46 ack next 15:39:53 Lisa mentioned that they had tried breakout rooms with some subgroups. Not easy with managing many people with overlapping membership 15:41:26 Julie suggested that leaders of task could use a Google doc to put in one sentence about what has been discussed in the previous week. The list would be short and skimable. This would provide the Monday meeting with a quick overview of what needs to be discussed or actioned 15:42:35 Becca_Monteleone has joined #Coga 15:43:51 do we like the direction? 15:43:56 Lisa asked about the idea of dividing time into two groups - advice guidance group Monday and Research on Thursday 15:44:07 Gareth has joined #coga 15:44:13 days not important re meetings more the general idea 15:44:38 +1 15:44:59 sorry, undecided as had to drop out 15:45:02 0 15:45:08 leaning towards +1 15:45:08 0 15:45:12 +1 15:45:14 Trying to encode what you said 15:45:19 q+ 15:45:19 Could you guess how many would go to research v general advice? 15:47:38 Tempted to say +1 15:48:35 ack next 15:49:47 I almost see three groups. Giving Advice, Research, Editors 15:50:08 How would we measure success of this proposed approach? 15:50:16 Julie mentioned the editorial reviews and would probably in the research group, however the new structure and patterns and GitHub Issues but this might be more complicated as once again you have overlaps! 15:50:56 Lis wants people to feel interested in the calls their join 15:51:17 I'll be right back 15:52:03 q+ 15:52:31 Reducing cognitive load would be the measure of success. 15:52:47 ack next 15:53:24 Where subjects are related it could be people are working on both aspect - advice and research 15:56:02 Lisa suggested there needs to be time to think about the logistics - maybe wait and see whether people will like the idea more when talking about the practicalities. 15:56:05 next item 15:57:07 Action tabs has subject lines for emails - Jenni suggested a section about email etiquette. 15:58:08 https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.8khhsk2mu8wq 15:58:12 The advice can all be found under 'Working with coga' tab in the Action document 15:58:59 q+ 15:59:04 q+ 15:59:22 Jennie suggested offering examples 16:00:13 Good example: action needed by Friday: please thumbs up this link in Github 16:00:25 ack next 16:00:30 ack next 16:00:30 q+ 16:01:45 +1 to put COGA at the beginning of subject lines! 16:02:32 Julie liked Jennie's example but suggested that you add 'coga' to the beginning of the subject line. Len added a document topic... so getting things in the right way is very important 16:03:00 COGA: Action Needed [Date]: Subject 16:03:00 Please don't just put day of the week alone. 16:03:05 Good example: COGA: supported desion making - action needed by Friday: please thumbs up this link in Github 16:03:23 Maybe need several examples and date is important rather than day 16:03:27 Sorry - I have to drop 16:04:06 Sorry, i need to drop too 16:04:18 https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.8khhsk2mu8wq 16:04:23 date important with time lines etc 16:04:27 Reminder: use words for date - month/day in reverse order in different countries when using numbers 16:04:41 RRSAgent, publish minutes 16:04:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/14-coga-minutes.html Lisa 16:04:49 Jan 1st 2025? 16:04:51 Thanks, everyone 16:05:01 Thank you 16:05:52 LenB has left #coga