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13:01:05 <kaz> meeitng: WoT Profile
13:01:12 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ben_Francis
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13:03:07 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf#Profiles_-_2025-07-09
13:03:25 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:03:45 <kaz> regrets+ Ege, Daniel
13:05:36 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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13:07:27 <kaz> q+
13:07:29 <benfrancis> q?
13:07:58 <sebastian> <Ben shows the agenda for today>
13:07:58 <kaz> q-
13:08:11 <sebastian> Kaz: is the schedule plan in the agenda?
13:08:29 <sebastian> Ben: there is a PR available about this
13:09:13 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1233 wot PR 1233 - Update schedule for WoT Profiles
13:09:24 <kaz> i|Ben shows|topic: Agenda and schedule|
13:09:25 <sebastian> topic: minutes
13:09:34 <kaz> s/minutes/Minutes/
13:09:40 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-profile-minutes.html
13:09:49 <benfrancis> q?
13:09:52 <kaz> s/html/html June-25/
13:10:00 <sebastian> Ben: any objections?
13:10:07 <sebastian> <no>
13:10:14 <sebastian> Ben: minutes are approved
13:10:44 <sebastian> topic: PRs
13:10:59 <kaz> subtopic: PR 426
13:11:05 <sebastian> subtopic: PR #423
13:11:14 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/426 PR 426 - Re-work HTTP Webhook Profile - closes #423
13:11:36 <sebastian> s/426/423
13:12:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:12:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:12:10 <sebastian> yes, I just saw this
13:12:28 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:12:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:12:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:12:58 <sebastian> <Bin shows the content of the PR in a HTTP pre-viewer>
13:13:12 <sebastian> a/HTTP/HTML
13:13:28 <sebastian> q+
13:13:44 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/benfrancis/wot-profile/pull/426.html#sec-http-webhook-profile section "8. HTTP Webhook Profile" from the preview
13:13:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:13:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:13:56 <kaz> s/meeitng:/meeting:/
13:13:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:13:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:14:05 <sebastian> s/Bin/Ben
13:14:15 <kaz> s|pull/423|pull/426|
13:14:27 <kaz> s|subtopic: PR #423||
13:14:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:14:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
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13:14:53 <kaz> i|Ben shows the agenda|scribenick: sebastian|
13:14:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:14:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:15:18 <kaz> s/yes, I just saw this//
13:15:42 <kaz> s|a/HTTP/HTML||
13:15:53 <kaz> s/HTTP pre/HTML pre/
13:15:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:15:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:16:35 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/ WebSub Recommendation
13:17:40 <kaz> i|Web|<Ben goes through the Example codes, e.g., 48 and 49, referring to the WebSub Recommendation>|
13:17:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:17:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:18:01 <kaz> i|Ben goes through|scribenick: kaz|
13:18:07 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:18:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:18:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:19:31 <benfrancis> q?
13:19:48 <kaz> sk: if you go back to subscription...
13:20:01 <kaz> ... section 8.2.2.1
13:20:12 <kaz> ... Example 57
13:20:24 <kaz> ... where the Listener came from?
13:20:55 <kaz> ben: the URL can be any URL
13:21:05 <kaz> ... it's just intended to be unique
13:21:27 <kaz> sk: what about the callback URL?
13:21:56 <kaz> ben: (shows Example 44)
13:22:07 <kaz> ... no way to describe the payload here
13:22:20 <kaz> sk: regarding the subprotocol
13:22:47 <kaz> ben: we've not invented the term for webhook here
13:22:57 <benfrancis> q?
13:23:05 <sebastian> ack s
13:23:08 <kaz> s/subprotocol/[[ subprotocol: "webhook" ]]/
13:23:19 <kaz> i/if you/scribenick: kaz/
13:23:23 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:23:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:23:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:24:17 <luca_barbato> q+
13:24:21 <benfrancis> q?
13:24:21 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
13:24:41 <benfrancis> q?
13:24:42 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2085 TD Issue 2085 - Add a schema for unobserve/observe property
13:25:02 <kaz> ben: (describes another issue around schema for unobserve/observe property
13:25:07 <kaz> s/property/property)/
13:25:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:25:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:25:40 <kaz> i|describes|scribenick: kaz|
13:25:43 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:26:06 <sebastian> Luca: based on TD1.1 we can not much do
13:26:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:26:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:26:30 <sebastian> ... see this as an interim solution for now
13:26:30 <benfrancis> q?
13:27:41 <benfrancis> q?
13:27:52 <kaz> ack lu
13:28:16 <kaz> sk: from what the additional annotation come from?
13:28:22 <kaz> i/from/scribenick: kaz/
13:28:30 <kaz> ... this is always possible
13:28:49 <kaz> ... Modbus binding may have polling term
13:29:13 <kaz> ... can wait until 2.0 for those terms
13:29:43 <kaz> ben: so far this PR has got a support from Luca
13:30:03 <kaz> ... any one to give more positive reviews?
13:30:28 <luca_barbato> q+
13:30:28 <kaz> ... this is a big PR, so not necessarily get merged today
13:30:36 <kaz> sk: would suggest wait a bit
13:30:43 <kaz> ... will ping Ege again
13:31:02 <kaz> ... at least what you presented today to us looked nice
13:31:12 <kaz> ben: ok. cool
13:31:21 <kaz> q?
13:31:21 <benfrancis> q?
13:31:45 <kaz> lb: general consensus around the big PR
13:32:10 <kaz> ... shall we put a deadline, e.g., by the end of your vacation?
13:32:40 <benfrancis> q?
13:33:02 <kaz> ben: would go for asynchronous reviews
13:33:21 <kaz> ... if we can get more supportive reviews, we can merge this
13:33:28 <kaz> subtopic: PR 427
13:33:47 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/427 PR 427 - Re-work Links section - closes #255
13:34:17 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/benfrancis/wot-profile/pull/427.html#common-constraints-links "5.6 Links" from the preview
13:34:25 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:34:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:34:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:35:20 <sebastian> q+
13:35:27 <kaz> ack lu
13:35:33 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
13:35:42 <kaz> ben: (goes through the preview)
13:35:54 <kaz> ... basically simplified the table here
13:36:15 <sebastian> sorry, yes but I have many questions :-)
13:36:32 <benfrancis> q?
13:36:36 <kaz> s/sorry, yes but I have many questions :-)//
13:36:47 <kaz> sk: I like the idea
13:37:00 <kaz> ... the original content was copied from the TD spec
13:37:17 <kaz> ... my only question is the relationship with the Bindings registry
13:37:41 <luca_barbato> q+
13:37:55 <kaz> ... maybe should be maintained on the registry side so that the content can be maintained nicely
13:38:33 <kaz> ben: that's true
13:38:55 <kaz> ... good way for TD 2.0 and Profile 2.0
13:39:31 <kaz> ... link information to be clarified for reach profile within the Profile 1.0
13:39:42 <kaz> s/lin/but lin/
13:39:44 <kaz> q+
13:40:11 <kaz> sk: would be nicer to have all the related information within one specific document
13:40:12 <kaz> ack se
13:40:59 <kaz> lb: for targeting TD 1.1, would agree you have well-defined subset
13:41:15 <kaz> ... given the time constraint, this PR looks good for 1.1 version
13:41:18 <kaz> ack lu
13:41:18 <benfrancis> q?
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13:42:58 <kaz> ack k
13:43:18 <kaz> kaz: would agree with you all (Ben, Luca and Sebastian)
13:43:29 <kaz> ... this PR itself is for Profile 1.0 which works with TD 1.1
13:43:35 <kaz> ... so we can merge this PR itself
13:43:47 <benfrancis> q?
13:44:03 <kaz> ... but probably it would be nicer to explicitly describe that plan, e.g., within the introduction section
13:44:12 <benfrancis> q?
13:44:16 <kaz> ... we don't have to explain our plan within each subsection
13:44:22 <kaz> ben: yeah
13:44:28 <kaz> ... please open a new Issue about that
13:44:48 <kaz> action: kaz to create a new issue about our plan within the Intro section
13:44:58 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:45:20 <sebastian> yes
13:45:26 <kaz> s/yes//
13:45:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:45:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:45:41 <sebastian> topic: Issues
13:45:53 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 320
13:46:11 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/320
13:46:22 <sebastian> Ben: who can work on this issue?
13:46:31 <kaz> s/320/320 Issue 320 - Accesibility assertions are not specific enough/
13:46:36 <kaz> q+
13:48:42 <sebastian> Kaz: we should aware Profile 1.0 is only a Note and this issue may be postponed for 2.0 REC
13:48:42 <kaz> q-
13:49:33 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 367
13:49:50 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/367
13:49:58 <kaz> i|Issue 367|ben: actually, the text here itself is not really good, and need some modification...|
13:50:16 <kaz> i|Issue 367|kaz: ah, in that case, we should modify the text :)|
13:50:29 <kaz> i|actually|scribenick: kaz|
13:50:35 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:50:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:50:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:50:57 <sebastian> Ben: the current definition about security is confusing
13:51:09 <sebastian> SK: I can create a PR
13:51:27 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 364
13:51:42 <kaz> s/367/367 Issue 367 - PR #364 introduced a duplicate conflicting assertion/
13:52:13 <kaz> s/364/373/
13:52:23 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/373
13:52:26 <sebastian> thx
13:52:37 <kaz> s/373/373 Issue 373 - Mismatch with MUST clause and examples in default language section/
13:52:46 <kaz> s/thx//
13:52:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:52:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:53:21 <kaz> i/Issue 367/scribenick: sebastian/
13:53:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:53:57 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 347
13:54:11 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/347
13:55:40 <kaz> s/347/347 Issue 347 - Clarify OAuth schemes - consider requiring Bearer tokens only/
13:55:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:56:32 <kaz> i|subtopic: Issue 347|(Ben to work on a PR)|
13:56:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:56:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:56:52 <benfrancis> q?
13:58:03 <sebastian> Ben: Bearer tokens may expire quite soon, such as every 10mins. How to handle this?
13:58:06 <kaz> q+
13:58:59 <sebastian> SK: suggest to talk this with McCool
13:59:53 <sebastian> Kaz: whole WG need to think about which specification really needed to describe what level of security mechanism
14:00:19 <kaz> q-
14:00:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:00:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
14:00:51 <kaz> q+
14:01:17 <benfrancis> q?
14:01:24 <sebastian> Ben: please take some of the open issue and create PRs. I will be on vacation until end of July
14:01:41 <sebastian> s/issue/issues
14:02:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
14:02:42 <benfrancis> q?
14:02:42 <kaz> q-
14:02:44 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:02:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
14:03:05 <kaz> i/Ben to work on/scribenick: kaz/
14:03:27 <kaz> i/subtopic Issue 347/scribenick: sebastian/
14:03:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:03:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
14:04:22 <kaz> i/subtopic: Issue 347/scribenick: sebastian/
14:04:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
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