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13:36:15 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:36:27 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:36:37 <janina> Date: 09 Jul 2025
13:36:42 <janina> Chair: Matatk
13:40:46 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:40:46 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2025
13:40:46 <janina> agenda+ Horizontal Review process update
13:40:46 <janina> agenda+ New on TR
13:40:46 <janina> agenda+ [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
13:40:49 <janina> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
13:40:52 <janina> agenda+ Actions check-in
13:40:54 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:40:57 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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13:42:08 <matatk> agenda?
13:47:13 <janina>  regrets: Gautier_Chomel, Fredrik_Fischer, Keith_Newton, Gottfried_Zimmerman
13:50:00 <janina> regrets+ Chiara_Cerretti
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14:02:27 <matatk> present
14:02:27 <matatk> present+
14:02:28 <PaulG> present+
14:02:34 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:02:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:02:54 <Fazio> present+
14:03:06 <janina> present+
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14:03:49 <matatk> scribe+ Neha
14:03:50 <Neha> present+
14:03:53 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:03:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:04:00 <janina> scribe+
14:04:00 <Neha> scribe+
14:04:03 <Neha> zakim, next item
14:04:03 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:05:35 <matatk> Baseline info: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/Baseline/Compatibility
14:07:43 <Fazio> TPAC meeting?
14:08:02 <Neha> WebDX community group working on the gap between Baseline information accessibility issues. Lola, from this group asked APA group to analyse this gap by scheduling a meeting. We will setup a meeting and will communicate with all.
14:08:37 <Neha> matatk: we can probably have a break out session
14:09:10 <Fazio> We should have a more significant TPAC meeting about Baseline
14:09:24 <matatk> s/we can probably have/there will probably be/
14:09:35 <Neha> janina: We need AAC representative should vote as a member organization
14:09:40 <Neha> zakim, next item
14:09:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2025 -- taken up [from janina]
14:09:52 <matatk> s/need AAC/need AC/
14:10:27 <Neha> We have quite a few sessions in TPAC
14:10:40 <Neha> q?
14:11:11 <Neha> matatk: I will contact Lola for Baseline and a11y during TPAC
14:11:14 <Neha> zakim, next item
14:11:14 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Horizontal Review process update -- taken up [from janina]
14:11:23 <matatk> Reminder of the new documentation on proposing spec review comments: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Horizontal_Review#For_Specifications_2
14:12:38 <Neha> matatk: This needs to be divided into sections and update wiki page.
14:13:01 <Neha> matatk: Next time whoever is doing this review follow this process and give us a feedback
14:13:09 <Neha> q?
14:13:37 <Neha> zakim, next item
14:13:37 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New on TR -- taken up [from janina]
14:13:41 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: CSS Positioned Layout Module Level 4
14:13:41 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/155/views/1?pane=issue&itemId=119163005&issue=w3c%7Ca11y-longituidinal-tracking%7C27
14:13:41 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-position-4/
14:14:01 <Neha> Roy_Ruoxi: New publication
14:14:28 <janina> s/publication/FPWD publication/
14:14:32 <Neha> Roy_Ruoxi: we have time to review this document and who wants to review this document?
14:15:12 <Neha> matatk: It is update to standard positioning in CSS
14:15:40 <Neha> matatk: Paul, is there any change in this document? Are yopu aware of this by any chance?
14:15:56 <Roy_Ruoxi> here is review history for level 3: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Positioned_Layout_Module_Level_3
14:17:26 <Neha> PaulG: If there is a scrollable area and there no element inside it which does not get focus then scroll bar will get focus, and this is a part of chrome update. But not sure if this is the part of new update or not.
14:18:34 <Neha> PaulG: There were also hicups in implementing pop overs but if this is the part of new update or not, not sure
14:19:10 <Roy_Ruoxi> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:19:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-apa-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi
14:20:13 <Neha> matatk: anyone have anything to add to this scroll bar focus thing, although focus word does not appear in the this document
14:21:20 <Neha> q?
14:22:15 <Neha> matatk: if someone wants to review web neural network then please follow above mentioned process in the link
14:22:35 <matatk> agenda?
14:22:39 <Neha> matatk: we dont have naything new on spec review
14:22:52 <Neha> zakim, next item
14:22:52 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from janina]
14:23:19 <matatk> subtopic: [css-fonts-5] Feature for making text always fit the width of its parent
14:23:19 <matatk> source: w3c/csswg-drafts#2528
14:23:19 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/240
14:24:15 <Neha> PaulG: I did not add any comment but couple of people have already mentioned that it is terrible
14:24:36 <Neha> PaulG: zoom example is explained how bad it is
14:25:33 <Neha> matatk: may be we should open separate issue to tackle a11y side of this?
14:26:33 <matatk> Patrick pointed out Resize Text here with a demo: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2528#issuecomment-2770261671
14:26:48 <Neha> janina: To us it appears it voilate WCAG SC
14:28:26 <Neha> violate*
14:29:34 <Neha> PaulG: we can say +1 to Patrick and add some comments
14:30:04 <Neha> Fazio: Do we have to mention it strongly? or just mention?
14:31:31 <Neha> matatk: We are not sure we should comment at this stage or not
14:32:00 <Neha> matatk: There is not request fom there side to review it, PaulG noticed this
14:33:27 <Neha> matatk: We should comment from APA side in polite words, janina and I can work on wording
14:33:43 <Neha> janina: Is this a normative document?
14:33:48 <Neha> matatk: Yes
14:34:49 <Neha> matatk: I like the point of David about barriers
14:35:19 <Neha> PaulG: Shall we say this does not respond to Zoom
14:35:41 <matatk> Comment on zoom: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2528#issuecomment-2769976414
14:36:49 <Neha> PaulG: zoom in and zoom out functionality and make sure it does not violate WCAG SC
14:37:55 <Neha> Fazio: If we do not use proper wording like must, it creates a lot of concerns
14:41:29 <Fazio> instead of accessible experience say to meet accessibility requirements
14:43:12 <Neha> agenda?
14:44:50 <matatk> subtopic: Connect HTML spec up to new CSS `interactivity` property
14:44:50 <matatk> source: whatwg/html#10956
14:44:50 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/231
14:46:20 <matatk> See Sarah Higley's comment: https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/10956#issuecomment-2780650841
14:47:16 <matatk> This was the latest on how it's being shipped in Chrome: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/1037#issuecomment-2831227912
14:47:41 <Neha> matatk: This is on tag design review
14:48:29 <Neha> matatk: Is this aligned with WG pull request?
14:49:26 <Neha> PaulG: I dont see a PR
14:51:13 <Neha> PaulG: I think there is some work on CSS interactivity
14:51:47 <janina> regrets+ Jennifer_Strickland
14:52:53 <Neha> matatk: They are trying to hormanize HTML and CSS approach
14:54:04 <Neha> PaulG: I can dig into it and try to understand more
14:54:20 <Neha> matatk: Jen can also help on this
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14:58:04 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:58:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been matatk, PaulG, Fazio, janina, Neha
14:58:06 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:58:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/07/09-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:58:13 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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