12:03:02 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:03:06 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-irc 12:03:07 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:03:48 dezell has joined #wot 12:03:49 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_McCool, Josh_Thomas, Michael_Koster 12:03:57 present+ David_Ezell 12:04:16 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#25_June_2025 12:04:44 rrsagent, make log public 12:04:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:04:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:05:06 scribenick: kaz 12:05:18 chair: Sebastian 12:05:26 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:05:28 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:06:17 present+ Dhrubajyoti_Bhattacharjee 12:06:27 topic: Guests, New Members, IEs 12:06:37 db: has joined the IG 12:06:40 sk: welcome 12:07:23 ... from FIME. right? 12:07:25 db: yes 12:07:51 sk: working on contactless payments 12:08:06 s/sk:/... / 12:08:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:08:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:08:35 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 12:08:49 sk: (introduces the WoT spec work) 12:09:11 db: would like to understand what's happening where 12:09:19 sk: great! 12:09:37 ... we have 2 new IE candidates 12:09:50 ... would give them a 6-mo IE status 12:09:53 q+ 12:09:56 present+ Ege_Korkan 12:10:02 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 12:10:54 kaz: we've got a response from Mahmood, so I've accepted his application. he should join the group shortly 12:11:13 ... while we're still waiting for response from Crris Xavier 12:11:15 sk: ok 12:11:17 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 12:11:36 topic: Minute 12:11:39 s/te/tes/ 12:11:49 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html June-18 12:11:58 sk: (goes through the minutes) 12:12:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:12:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:13:54 approved 12:14:05 topic: Discovery User Stories 12:14:40 mm: 2 PRs 12:15:06 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/359 wot-usecases PR 359 - Fill in Details in Discovery User Stories 12:16:56 mm: have been reviewed by Sebastian 12:17:15 ... I've not reviewed his comments them yet, though 12:17:24 ... want to get merged 12:17:33 q+ 12:18:02 kaz: is Sebastian OK now? 12:18:04 q- 12:18:19 sk: don't see any blocking issues now 12:18:23 mm: ok 12:19:01 proposal: merge PR https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/359, subject to a second stage of review later (when the UCR document goes to Note). 12:19:18 mm: is that OK? 12:19:23 sk: ok 12:19:59 mm: any objections? 12:20:01 none 12:20:06 resolution: merge PR https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/359, subject to a second stage of review later (when the UCR document goes to Note). 12:20:36 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/363 wot-usecases PR 363 - Remove functional req, technical req, and liaisons sections 12:20:47 mm: this PR removes various problems 12:21:19 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-usecases/363/ad46fea...2158fb9.html#US-disc-alternatives diff 12:21:37 (see "5.2 Functional Requirements" to be removed) 12:21:48 q+ 12:22:07 s/" to/", etc., to/ 12:23:16 q- 12:23:37 kaz: sometimes we once move that kind of content to the appendix 12:23:49 ... do we really want to simply remove them this time? 12:24:07 mm: might be interesting from historical viewpoints 12:24:12 ... but would be rather confusing 12:24:46 q+ 12:25:18 q- 12:25:41 kaz: if it's just confusing, we can remove it 12:25:53 resolution: merge PR https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/363, subject to a second stage of review later (when the UCR document goes to Note). 12:26:01 ... but if that by chance have some meaning, we can add a reference 12:26:19 proposal: merge PR https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/363, subject to a second stage of review later (when the UCR document goes to Note). 12:26:26 mm: any objections? 12:26:36 resolution: merge PR https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/363, subject to a second stage of review later (when the UCR document goes to Note). 12:26:36 none 12:26:47 @@@ kaz will remove the first resolution 12:26:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:26:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:27:23 sk: tx, McCool! 12:27:37 ... any other topics for quick updates? 12:27:38 none 12:27:42 topic: TPAC 2025 12:27:56 sk: TPAC is approaching 12:28:05 ... we have a dedicated wiki for our planning 12:28:18 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_TPAC_2025_planning WoT TPAC 2025 wiki 12:28:27 sk: would have good number of participants 12:28:43 ... but currently just several people are registered 12:29:12 ... if you're not 100% sure, please put your information with "% Attend" possibility 12:29:24 ... regarding the dates 12:29:43 ... as we agreed last week, we'd go for Thursday and Friay 12:30:19 ... each TF Lead should add topics to the "Topics" section 12:30:42 (Sebastian has put several possible topics already) 12:31:00 sk: should think about remote participation as well 12:31:13 ... for example, TD topics to be held in the afternoon 12:31:28 ... so would see who'll join the meeting remotely 12:31:37 ... joint meetings should be also identified 12:31:59 ... so far, we have JSON-LD, Spatial Data, Smat Cities, DID, APA, Security and Privacy 12:32:15 ... need to schedule Breakouts too 12:32:43 ... this time 10 breakouts in parallel for each time slot during TPAC 2025 12:33:19 ... 9 one-hour slots during the TPAC week as follows 12:33:26 q? 12:33:28 [[ 12:33:29 Monday: 1 one-hour slot at 17:00-18:00 12:33:29 Tuesday: 1 one-hour slot at 08:30-09:30 12:33:29 Wednesday: 6 one-hour slots at 08:30-18:30 12:33:29 Thursday: 1 one-hour slot at 17:00-18:00 12:33:29 ]] 12:33:39 sk: also we'd organize our Plugfest 12:34:11 ... Plugfest is expected to start on Saturday 12:34:30 ... we'd use a hotel room for that purpose 12:34:40 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:34:42 dape has joined #wot 12:34:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:34:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:34:52 ... any questions? 12:34:56 q+ 12:35:08 q 12:35:26 kaz: please add your name to the Plugfest section of the wiki also :) 12:35:30 sk: right :) 12:36:11 kaz: I've already started to talk with Naomi as the local event manager about the logistics 12:36:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:36:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:36:24 topic: Charter 12:37:02 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/wot-wg-2023.html WoT WG Charter 12:37:27 sk: the end of the WoT WG Charter is Oct 2 this year 12:37:58 ... we need to extend our working period by extension and/or rechartering 12:38:06 +1 12:38:17 ... would confirm we'd go for 3-mo extension for the rechartering procedure 12:38:47 q? 12:38:54 ack k 12:39:08 mm: my question is if 3-mo is ok for that purpose 12:39:13 q+ 12:40:42 ack k 12:41:03 kaz: we still have 3 months till the end of the Charter 12:41:29 q+ 12:41:35 -> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/509 WIP: [wg/wot] Web of Things Working Group rechartering 12:43:17 kaz: I've already created a placeholder discussion on the Strategy repo 12:43:44 ... the point here is we should start the Charter discussion right away 12:44:15 ... if we're lucky enough, we can finalize the Charter by the end of Sep 12:44:25 ... but maybe AC Review would take long 12:44:36 ... at that time in Sep, we need a 3-mo extension 12:44:50 s/extension/extension to wrap-up the rechartering procedure/ 12:44:52 proposal: The group decided to work on a new charter and may request an 3 month extension in August to complete the chartering work. 12:45:34 resolution: The group decided to work on a new charter and may request an 3 month extension in August/September to complete the chartering work. 12:45:56 i/resolution:/kaz: maybe would be better to say September here :)/ 12:46:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:46:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:46:21 topic: Meetups 12:46:27 q+ 12:46:31 subtopic: WoT CG 12:46:45 ek: next meeting to be held on July 17 12:46:48 ack m 12:47:26 ... presentation about an EU project called NEPHELE 12:47:47 subtopic: WoT JP CG 12:47:56 miz: no updates 12:48:02 subtopic: Smart Cities 12:48:06 q+ 12:48:34 ack e 12:48:35 ack k 12:48:41 kaz: next IG meeting on July 7 12:49:00 ... sent a reminder to the group CCing JTC1 guys 12:49:28 ... will continue the discussion about existing resources, categories, pain points, requirements, etc. 12:49:33 topic: Cloud-edge 12:49:54 mm: no news yet since was on vacation for a while 12:49:56 sk: ok 12:50:05 s/topic:/subtopic:/ 12:50:10 topic: Liaisons 12:50:15 subtopic: ECHONET 12:50:25 sk: asking them to join the Plugfest 12:50:47 kaz: yes, I'm asking them about that. will continue discussion in July also 12:50:56 subtopic: Conexxus 12:51:56 de: will join TPAC Plugfest 12:52:27 ... one more person to be added as a Conexxus rep 12:52:30 kaz: great 12:52:38 subtopic: OPC 12:52:46 sk: tx for all your input! 12:53:02 ... looked into them and have updated the document 12:53:16 ... I presented the document during the OPC meeting 12:53:35 ...the next step is another tech review on the OPC side 12:54:03 ... maybe we could have some of the OPC reps during TPAC/Plugfest 12:54:04 ... let's see 12:54:12 kaz: great! 12:54:19 subtopic: ETSI 12:54:33 mm: Koster, myself and Kaz joined the meeting on Monday 12:54:44 ... next steps for use case discussion 12:55:00 ... would have two more monthly meetings 12:55:17 ... then would invite them to the Plugfest call so that they can join the Plugfest 12:55:32 sk: when to have the next liaison meeting? 12:55:37 mm: in one month 12:55:58 ... then would join the Plugfest call 12:56:23 sk: are they interested in the Plugfest during TPAC 2025 in Kobe? 12:56:34 mm: not necessarily in person 12:56:45 ... but at least a couple of them could join 12:57:14 ... onboading topic would be of interest 12:57:23 subtopic: IEC SC3D 12:57:27 sk: possible liaison 12:57:42 ... related to smart city topics too 12:57:47 q+ 12:58:16 kaz: think I need to send a reminder to them about that 12:58:21 ... will do that from now 12:58:23 sk: tx 12:58:25 ack k 12:58:31 topic: Schedule 12:58:43 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays and Events 12:59:09 sk: Ege won't be available next week (actually July 1-15) 12:59:23 ... we need to think about how to deal with the TD calls, etc. 12:59:41 q- 13:00:02 [adjourned] 13:00:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:00:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/25-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:01:39 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 14:18:25 EgeKorka_ has joined #wot 14:47:29 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 14:53:08 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 14:54:23 EgeKorka_ has joined #wot 14:55:20 kaz has joined #wot 15:10:17 kaz has joined #wot 15:25:28 Zakim has left #wot 17:09:12 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 17:43:38 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 17:44:02 EgeKorkan has joined #wot