14:02:25 RRSAgent has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 14:02:30 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-irc 14:02:34 meeting: WoT and NGSI-LD 14:03:19 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Dave_Raggett, Martin_Bauer 14:03:46 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WoT-NGSI-LD#June_23,_2025 14:03:49 Martin has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 14:04:41 q+ 14:05:00 q- 14:05:21 draggett has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 14:05:26 present+ 14:05:41 mjk2 has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 14:05:52 present+ Michael_Koster 14:05:56 rrsagent, make log public 14:06:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:06:02 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 14:06:20 topic: Minutes 14:06:27 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/04/28-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html April-28 14:06:38 McCool did some work on Use Case document 14:07:01 we had a longer break, we need to agree on how to move forward 14:07:46 i|McCool did|scribenick: Martin| 14:07:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:07:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 14:08:02 We need to check regarding the organizational change on ETSI side from ISG CIM to TC DATA 14:08:56 kaz It depends on the ETSI side 14:09:15 Minutes are approved 14:09:23 topic: Logistics 14:09:38 chair: McCool 14:09:38 Sebastian can join once a month 14:09:49 McCool will stop activites by end of August 14:09:55 s/ETSI side/ETSI side (and we're waiting for the response from Franck about this)/ 14:10:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:10:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 14:10:07 Michael Koster could continue activities 14:10:32 Possibility to mainstream activity 14:11:08 s/mainstream activity/handle this liaison discussion during the WoT main call/ 14:11:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:11:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 14:11:20 q+ 14:11:26 we have been discussing use cases, these need to be made more concrete 14:11:36 we need detailed attempts to use it together 14:12:14 we need to resume from where we left off in April 14:12:51 q- 14:12:52 kaz: goal on both sides may be a bit different 14:13:28 McCool: we need a process capturing external requirements, in the past requirements weren't actionable 14:13:56 ... not everybody in W3C is convinced about the process 14:14:03 s/goal on both sides may be a bit different/maybe the goal of this liaison discussion is a bit different from our ordinary WoT Use Cases discussion. So probably it would make sense to think about how to deal with this liaison discussion a bit more./ 14:14:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:14:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 14:14:19 ... externally driven, more top-down approach is needed 14:14:53 ... it needs to be concrete - try to do it and see what is missing 14:15:20 s/maybe/We usually hold Use Cases discussion as a resource of spec generation, and maybe/ 14:15:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:15:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 14:16:04 McCool: Onboarding of IoT devices to NGSI-LD is core use case for WoT 14:16:32 ... What features are missing that an NGSI-LD system really needs 14:16:46 ... we have some options here 14:17:30 ... The other use case was to access Entity through WoT described interface 14:17:37 i|Onboarding of|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/examples/onboarding.md Onboarding Use Case on wot-ngsi-ld repo| 14:17:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:17:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 14:17:47 ... this may require more features in WoT 14:18:18 ... NGSI-LD side should try some things out 14:18:30 q+ 14:18:51 ... Next plug test will be at TPAC? open to non-members? 14:18:53 q- 14:19:00 s/plug test/plugfest/ 14:19:01 kaz: we could invite externals 14:19:21 s/externals/non-Member stakeholders if needed/ 14:19:46 McCool: TPAC will be in Japan, thus attending in person may be difficult, and then do it remotely 14:20:03 ... this needs preparation and bring something (almost) working 14:20:25 q+ 14:21:53 q- 14:22:12 kaz: personally okay to start with onboarding topic and invite NGSI-LD people. Wondering whether this would be of interest to ETSI side. 14:22:42 Martin: More interested in the other use case. Not sure what others think. 14:22:57 s/side./side, because Marting gave another general use case on "TD for NGSI-LD Entity"./ 14:22:59 McCool: may start with some simple part, e.g. reading and writing attributes only 14:23:15 ... Plugfest planning has not started yet 14:23:38 kaz: it's ongoing now 14:23:40 ... Let's do this meeting once a month --> two meetings more for McCool 14:24:03 s/it's on/scribenick: kaz/ 14:24:09 i/Let's/scribenick: Martin/ 14:24:23 q+ 14:24:42 McCool: Plugfest activities start mainly in fall 14:25:00 q- 14:25:02 q+ 14:25:52 kaz; Wikipage has been created for Plugfest 14:26:07 McCool: so we may have Plugfest meetings earlier 14:26:27 s/Wiki/Actually, Plugfest preparation discussion has already started, and a dedicated Wiki/ 14:26:38 q- 14:27:50 McCool: we should find out what your plans are 14:27:58 q+ 14:28:25 McCool: create some minimum viable use case and implement that 14:29:29 Martin: have one more meeting in July with more people from ETSI side involved 14:30:31 ack m 14:30:48 Martin: Moving to other set of Plugfest calls - it is not so clear what that means 14:31:40 q+ 14:31:42 McCool: Martin, talk to the other ETSI people, not next week due to TC DATA meeting, but e..g. the week after 14:32:07 Martin: Ok, I will organize on our side 14:32:33 McCool: I'll book the date, but if another time / date is better, let me know 14:32:42 Martin: Ok 14:32:48 q? 14:33:47 kaz: ask ETSI people to think about minimum viable product - as part of ETSI's expectation 14:34:03 McCool: plan from easiest to hardest 14:34:15 q- 14:35:00 McCool: can you put the Plugfest link in? 14:35:22 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_TPAC_2025_planning#WoT_Plugfest_during_TPAC_2025_(Hybrid) WoT Plugfest during TPAC 2025 14:35:39 McCool: not sure you can edit the wiki - if you cannot, send an e-mail to kaz 14:36:34 s/ask ETSI people to think about minimum viable product - as part of ETSI's expectation/Just to make sure, what McCool is suggesting is inline with ETSI's expectation. It's that we'd like to start with a smaller and simpler part of the expectation./ 14:36:34 McCool: Plugtest will be during TPAC in Kobe, Japan 10-14 November 14:36:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:36:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 14:37:38 McCool: Link to testing github, may have relevant test cases, e.g. TDs 14:38:29 McCool: can you read these in and turn them into NGSI-LD entities 14:38:49 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/data/input_2022/TD Example TDs from the Testing event in 2022 14:39:39 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2024.11.Munich/TDs also TDs from Plugfest in 2024 November 14:39:41 McCool: Then we need to update Liaison info 14:40:24 kaz: We are waiting for Franck to update the liaison table 14:41:49 -> https://www.w3.org/liaisons/#ETSI W3C Liaison entry for ETSI (Kaz is the contact from the W3C side) 14:42:28 McCool: The testing event in 2024 has some more advanced features, including thing models --> have a look 14:42:41 s/ Franck to update the liaison table/ Franck, etc., about the contact person for the liaison./ 14:42:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:42:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 14:42:57 Martin: Ok, I'll talk to the others from ETSI 14:43:02 [adjourned] 14:43:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:43:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/23-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:12:12 Martin has left #wot-ngsi-ld 16:42:14 kaz has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 17:02:13 Zakim has left #wot-ngsi-ld