12:02:27 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:02:32 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-irc 12:02:34 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:02:36 mjk has joined #wot 12:02:50 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster 12:03:31 dezell has joined #wot 12:03:41 present+ David_Ezell 12:03:45 regrets+ Sebastian 12:04:23 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#18_June_2025 12:04:31 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 12:04:38 present+ Michael_McCool 12:04:45 rrsaagent, make log public 12:04:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:04:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:05:00 McCool has joined #wot 12:05:57 rrsagent, make log public 12:06:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:06:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:06:34 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:06:37 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:06:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:08:19 scribenick: McCool 12:09:14 topic: Guests, New Members, IEs 12:09:32 mk: two IE requests 12:09:50 q+ 12:10:50 q- 12:10:59 ... have offered Mahmood a 6mo membership; need a presentation from Crris (will be under the same terms, 6mo membership, if accepted after presentation). Still waiting for a response. 12:11:25 topic: Minutes 12:11:29 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/05/28-wot-minutes.html May-28 12:11:44 mk: any updates or corrections? 12:12:10 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:12:47 mm: no updates, but want to mention have updates for both schedule and UCR doc that we can discuss later. 12:13:20 mk: no updates, no objections, minutes approved 12:13:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:13:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:13:48 s/rrsaagent, make log public// 12:14:32 q+ 12:15:19 topic: Quick items 12:15:29 subtopic: Discovery user stories 12:16:22 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/359 Discovery user stories on wot-usecases repo 12:16:38 q? 12:17:20 mm: would like to do a call for resolution for PR359 for next week 12:17:50 scribe+ 12:18:13 kaz: we should clarify which PR is for WG's Discovery work and which PR is for IG's UCR document work 12:18:38 mm: the main PR for WG's Discovery work is PR 359 12:19:16 kaz: and you'd propose we make a resolution for that next week. right? 12:19:17 mm: yes 12:19:24 scribe- 12:19:26 mm: other PRs are things the UCR TF itself can do, would like a resolution fopr 359 by the group since it relates to Discovery TF work. 12:19:26 q- 12:19:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:19:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:19:51 q? 12:19:52 q? 12:19:57 dape has joined #wot 12:20:00 topic: Notices 12:20:13 mk: TPAC2025; email, see link in agenda 12:20:26 ... we have a github repo to start getting organized 12:20:32 i|TPAC|subtopic: TPAC 2025 prep| 12:20:39 q+ to mention that the WoT CG will have a meeting in TPAC 2025 12:21:02 i|email|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2025AprJun/0031.html TPAC announcement (Member-only)| 12:21:03 mk: asking people to add availability, preferences, and topics to wiki 12:21:03 q? 12:21:06 q+ 12:21:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:21:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:21:25 q? 12:21:37 ege: survey in WoT CG, some people indicated an interest to meet 12:22:00 q? 12:22:02 ... asked for one session for WoT CG during TPAC 12:22:32 ack e 12:22:32 EgeKorkan, you wanted to mention that the WoT CG will have a meeting in TPAC 2025 12:22:43 q? 12:22:59 kaz: as starting point, however, should talk about IG and WG 12:23:35 ... Sebastian has put several potential topics; also need to decide how long overall what days 12:23:47 ... have dedicated discussion on several topics. 12:23:55 q+ 12:24:00 q- 12:24:24 mm: plugfest will be the weekend before TPAC, right? 12:24:39 kaz: yes, talking with event team about use of hotel venue 12:24:51 ... to be strict, plugfest is part of TPAC. 12:25:43 mm: also note the plugfest is an IG activity 12:26:09 ack m 12:26:42 q+ 12:26:57 q+ 12:27:08 mk: is a list of topics already posted... 12:27:36 kaz: priority for today though is the dates, since the event team needs that information by the 20th 12:27:45 s/part of TPAC/part of TPAC, but what we need to respond to the GitHub Issue is about the meeting dates./ 12:27:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:27:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:28:02 mk: let's do a resolution... 12:28:16 proposal: WoT WG/IG would like to have the TPAC meeting on Thursday and Friday during TPAC 12:28:38 proposal: WoT WG/IG would like to have the TPAC meeting on Thursday and Friday as a all-day event during TPAC 12:29:22 proposal: WoT WG/IG would like to have the TPAC meeting on Thursday and Friday as an all-day event during TPAC 12:29:59 q? 12:30:00 q? 12:30:02 ack m 12:30:12 resolution: WoT WG/IG would like to have the TPAC meeting on Thursday and Friday as an all-day event during TPAC 12:30:32 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:30:40 q? 12:30:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:30:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:32:05 matsuda has joined #wot 12:32:18 de: regarding joint meetings, conflict between joint meeting and being in that group meeting; for example, DID. We should also capture conflicts/overlaps to be avoided. 12:32:46 kaz: yes, should capture overlaps, for joint meetings can discuss who goes where 12:33:10 mk: add a section for "conflicts" under joint meetings 12:33:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:33:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:33:52 mm: sounds we have at least DID as a conflict 12:34:01 de: and also VC, if they have a meeting 12:34:09 mk: captured 12:34:51 q+ 12:34:54 ack d 12:35:31 ack k 12:35:50 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:35:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:35:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:36:47 mk: anything else? plugfest? 12:37:06 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_TPAC_2025_planning WoT TPAC 2025 wiki including the F2F meeting and the Plugfest 12:37:11 kaz: only short-term issue is talking with the event team about the venue, which I am doing 12:38:04 mk: should at least capture the proposed dates for the plugfest in the wiki 12:38:19 kaz: and also the breakout 12:40:18 mk: Nov 8 to 10 for prep; Nov 8 to 11 for plugfest, 12 for presentations (breakout) - captured as proposal in wiki 12:40:32 q? 12:40:40 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_TPAC_2025_planning#Proposed_Dates Proposed Dates for Plugfest 12:40:52 q+ on whether the 12:40:53 mk: also some demo preparation, this will be related to the plugfest 12:41:23 q+ 12:41:24 ege: question, will we support remote participants or not? 12:41:28 ack e 12:41:28 EgeKorkan, you wanted to comment on whether the 12:41:44 mk: not sure whether we will, but seems like there are some people interested 12:42:04 kaz: in earlier call started discussing that, probably will via VPN 12:42:21 ... Ege, you were asking CG? 12:42:41 ege: asked, nobody said yes about in-person 12:43:02 mk: plugfest call today? 12:43:25 kaz: two short notice, should announce it, maybe have it in two weeks, also need to check the Profile TF schedule 12:43:35 s/two/too/ 12:43:42 q? 12:43:47 q- 12:44:38 subtopic: Other 12:44:48 mk: publication moratorium 12:45:07 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2025AprJun/0055.html Publication moratorium announcement (Member-only) 12:45:16 mm: may affect UCR, when does it start? 12:45:19 q+ 12:45:26 mk: Nov 6 is last publication date 12:45:53 q- 12:45:55 ... also a pause in late August 12:46:20 q? 12:46:24 topic: Rechartering/Charter Extension 12:46:39 mk: current WG charter only goes until Oct 2025 12:47:04 ... short extension relatively easy, 3-6 mo, longer than that needs a new charter 12:47:04 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/wot-wg-2023.html WoT WG Charter expiring on Oct 2 12:47:06 q+ 12:47:15 q+ 12:48:08 ack m 12:48:09 mm: current charter ends before TPAC, I think we need at least a 3mo extension so it covers TPAC; then can discuss a new charter then. 12:48:20 q+ 12:48:30 q- later 12:48:54 mk: also, will an extension be enough to complete the work we have, and/or do we need to edit the charter? 12:49:04 q+ 12:49:07 q? 12:49:15 q+ 12:49:26 ack m 12:49:37 ege: we need an extension even just to plan the new charter 12:49:58 ... but we don't have to commit to finish everything in the current charter necessarily 12:50:01 ack e 12:50:21 kaz: that was the TD TF resolution also; have been talking with PLH, agrees 12:50:33 ... need to talk about publication schedule first, also 12:51:01 ... as team contact, I doubt we can finalize everything by end of Sept 12:51:17 ... my suggestion is 3mo extension for the rechartering procedure itself 12:51:49 ... but we could perhaps publish somethings, like updated TD draft. Will look better when we ask for a recharter 12:51:59 q? 12:52:02 ack k 12:52:37 dape: would like to restate what we have seen in the past; new charter is a lot of work, need to reach out to people, get votes, etc. 12:52:55 ... new charter does mean a lot of work on our side 12:52:58 i|would|-> https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-wot-td-minutes.html TD-TF's resolution| 12:53:08 q+ 12:53:18 ack d 12:53:22 q+ 12:53:34 mk: even if the changes to the charter are minor, still a lot of work, but hopefully we can get it done quickly. 12:53:44 ack k 12:53:56 kaz: is a necessary procedure in the end. 12:54:11 ege: less effort this time than the last charter 12:54:16 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:54:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:54:23 q+ 12:54:33 ... a lot of reorganization last time, I think this time we have less reorg, we just want to continue 12:55:13 ... are discussing this in the TD, please join if you want to discuss; need to decide scope of remaining work in this charter and work to be deferred to a new charter 12:55:32 ack e 12:55:34 ack k 12:55:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:55:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:55:45 kaz: agree with Ege; reiterate that we publish something important before the expiry of the current charter. 12:55:48 q? 12:55:49 mk: scope it down, but it should be meaningful 12:56:05 topic: Schedule 12:56:14 q+ 12:56:51 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1230 12:58:52 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/041b1e74858ce0feba69d97a89da6fab0167f19e/planning/ig-schedule.md proposed IG Schedule 12:59:36 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/041b1e74858ce0feba69d97a89da6fab0167f19e/planning/wg-schedule.md Proposed WG Schedule 13:00:34 mm: split IG and WG, other than UCR have not made any other changes 13:00:52 q? 13:01:02 q- 13:01:16 mm: split it so it's clear what PRs modify what 13:01:56 kaz: suggest merging 13:02:39 ... although another line for the UCR would be good 13:02:44 kaz: ok, will merge 13:03:28 s/for the UCR/for the Discovery work on the WG Schdule/ 13:03:37 q+ 13:03:40 topic: AOB 13:03:48 mk: out of time, anything else? 13:03:55 q- 13:04:12 kaz: just ask TD task force to look at schedule 13:04:12 ege: it is on the agenda 13:04:15 s/at schedule/at the WG schedule/ 13:04:21 mk: no other business, adjourn 13:04:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/18-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:01:39 TallTed has joined #wot 15:32:19 Zakim has left #wot