13:54:11 RRSAgent has joined #coga 13:54:16 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/06/16-coga-irc 13:54:16 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:54:17 Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 13:54:19 Agenda? 13:54:27 clear agenda 13:56:21 agenda+ actions next steps / what we are doing now https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Itskr4srybRQa7hyIqMRiOPyjFyKB9apHYWdvGRb6gE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.ko4kl8hexve2 13:57:12 agenda+ issue papers - next steps in a publication (when are papers ready, and is two papers enoguh?) 13:57:33 agenda+ set time to review citations? 14:04:26 agenda 3 = set time to review citations? link to read is references at https://w3c.github.io/manual-of-style/#ref-section . But tool being made to create them from a normal citation . However our content is in a database so we may not need the tool. (see 14:04:26 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKNrofGubnpQE6mO-vxmI-1MW5nA2LDj0LxebREPRGA/edit?resourcekey=&gid=1686096268#gid=1686096268) note citations should also be in the database 14:04:59 Agenda+ TPAC - what meeting do we want 14:06:17 Agenda 4 = TPAC - what meeting do we want. see logistics at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2025 14:07:23 agenda+ How can we help people participate in COGA. 1st item 14:07:23 - A review of what we are working on and arrears we can help (publications and subgroups) 14:09:29 agenda+ How can we help people participate in COGA. 2st item 14:09:29 - what we are doing include - reminder for the call. action page, once a month review actions. should these things change? 14:09:42 agenda+ How can we help people participate in COGA. 3rd item 14:09:42 - what problems are you having? 14:10:02 agenda+ How can we help people participate in COGA. 4rd item 14:10:02 - tips, tricks and brainstorm solutions 14:13:00 agenda order, 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 2, 3 14:15:12 agenda order 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 1, 2, 3 14:15:17 agenda? 14:20:35 agenda 5 = How can we help people participate in COGA. 1st item . A review of what we are working on and arears we can help (publications and subgroups) 14:21:17 agenda 6 = How can we help people participate in COGA. 2st item . What we are doing include including reminder for the call. action page, once a month review actions. should these things change? 14:21:51 agenda 7 = How can we help people participate in COGA. 3rd item . What problems are you having? 14:22:15 agenda 8 = How can we help people participate in COGA. 4rd item. Tips, tricks and brainstorm solutions 14:22:25 agenda? 14:50:41 Q? 14:50:52 RRSAgent, publish minutes 14:50:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/16-coga-minutes.html Lisa 14:53:58 scribe+ EA 14:54:07 EA has joined #coga 14:54:24 +present 14:54:48 hi EA 14:54:52 scribe+ EA 15:01:38 Jennie_Delisi has joined #coga 15:02:08 Charli has joined #coga 15:02:11 julierawe has joined #coga 15:02:12 agenda? 15:02:12 Present+ 15:02:15 present+ 15:02:24 present+ 15:02:38 Numbering may be different compared to the Zakim entries 15:03:44 q+ 15:04:26 ack next 15:04:27 TPAC to start and then main discussion about participation with coga - thinking about terms etc and not necessarily going over items we already have but if changes are needed then we can go over them and then brainstorming the ideas. Followed by going over the action page and finally possibly touch base on issue papers and citations - how these 15:04:27 will be done. 15:04:32 Lisa, can you share your screen? 15:05:00 Charli questioned whether there was a mention of how hard it was to contribute. 15:05:21 agenda? 15:05:50 next item 15:06:09 TPAC next up... 15:06:21 kirkwood has joined #COGA 15:06:27 DavidSwallow has joined #coga 15:06:38 agenda? 15:06:48 TPAC asked the task force what we want to discuss at TPAC 15:07:22 ADAPT Aria - summary tag or topic tag mentioned. 15:07:26 present+ 15:07:40 Also at TPAC may include discussion of issue papers 15:08:00 q+ 15:08:30 Triggers would also be a good subject for discussing with ADAPT - proposals about types of triggers - still need solutions 15:08:40 ack next 15:09:21 Julie asked about specific meetings with APA and the other one about breakout topics. 15:09:24 LenB has joined #coga 15:09:40 present+ 15:09:54 Lisa clarified that they were not talking about break outs 15:11:10 review issue papers with APA or via AG group - ADAPT do more on cross meeting. 15:11:11 Clarification: APA asked last week if there are specific topics we want to discuss at meetings with APA at TPAC. 15:11:58 APA meeting topics Lisa suggested: (1) Adapt and/or ARIA: We have a paper coming out on adjustable trigger warning. It may also be useful to have semantics to identify summaries of documents, key points, and key sentences. (2) Issue papers: conversational interfaces, indoor navigation, safety online (including data driven algorithms and social 15:11:58 media) and supported decision making online. (3) New format of cognitive accessibility guidance. 15:12:11 Jan has joined #coga 15:12:15 present+ 15:12:48 Julie mentioned ' new format' 15:13:31 Lisa wondered if they would be interested in the new format but also mentioned internationalisation.... may be an update 15:13:36 q+ 15:15:30 ack next 15:15:41 TPAC will be in November 14-15 15:15:55 in japan! 15:16:03 Julie mentioned that AG and Coga had a meeting about internationalisation 15:16:07 q+ 15:16:30 Lisa mentioned that it could be a three way discussion APA / AG and coga - 15:16:55 Minutes clarification: AG, Coga, and Internationalization (i18n task force) had a meeting. 15:17:10 ack next 15:17:14 Thank you Julie 15:17:33 +1 to 3 way meeting APA AG & Inmternationalization 15:18:18 Jennie - need to consider schedules when setting up TPAC meetings 15:18:28 q+ 15:18:38 ack next 15:19:18 Julie wondered if it would help to have an APA meeting prior to TPAC due to the scheduling with time zones 15:19:29 pre TPAC meeting +1 w/ APA 15:20:07 -1 15:20:07 Lisa asked if anyone is likely to come to Japan 15:20:10 -1 15:20:11 -1 15:20:11 -1 15:20:14 -1 15:20:17 -1 15:20:19 next item 15:21:00 Nest item - how we can help people participate in coga activities 15:21:12 agenda? 15:25:49 next item 15:25:52 Starting with what is being worked on at the moment - next version of the Content Usable document - getting working template completed and big issues such as the name and internationalisaton. Now working on issue papers - from draft and then into GitHub. Publication process can take a couple of months. Looked at the subgroups. 15:26:41 Lisa went on show where there are links to other work. 15:28:22 Once a month go over 'Action items' but may need to revisit this idea as people may miss the start of the month meeting. 15:29:25 next item 15:29:35 q+ 15:31:29 Charli mentioned that it can be hard to learn what the big picture is and some of the problem can be the acronyms or the way items are discussed such as patterns and format etc 15:32:07 Finding information can be hard due to the formatting which may be affected by the mail app that is used. 15:32:28 +1 to format changes that occur in different mail apps 15:35:43 May need to have all the links for all the relevant resources in one place. 15:36:07 q+ 15:36:30 +1 to the calendar being a problem - it's not intuitive. 15:36:45 +1 to doing it our own way 15:37:08 +1 to doing it my own way, and I've found I need to re-check every few weeks 15:37:31 Yes thank you for the reminders with the links in the email so there is not need to go elsewhere 15:37:41 q+ 15:37:51 ack next 15:38:06 ack next 15:39:16 q+ 15:39:42 Julie suggested providing more context as to the links to whom we belong to as a task force 15:40:07 q- 15:40:17 q+ 15:40:19 ack next 15:40:54 +1 to Charli's comment about needing more context/high-level overview of what COGA is doing and why. 15:41:32 Len also said getting quick answers to his needs - how to send questions that will be answered without having to wait for ages. 15:41:43 ack next 15:42:19 q+ 15:43:04 +1 to having to do a dance with google docs. My company doesn't allow access to them on work laptops. 15:43:14 One problem that affects some people is the problem of not being able to use Google docs in a work place or other apps. So having so many different apps that are being used can cause issues. 15:43:49 ack next 15:44:06 Different work flows and various environments need to be sorted in the best possible way to make it easier to access items 15:44:27 Microsoft and Google workflow issues are a problem. agreed 15:45:18 and github 15:45:26 David felt that the complexities do cause problems - the topics need research and investigation and it is not easy to resolve some of the deep topics discussed makes it hard and takes too much time. 15:45:32 LenB Please remind me when to shift from discussing challenges to discussing solutions that I have an idea to help with getting email responses. 15:47:11 Do the size of the tasks cause issues - bite sized topics but can make it harder to get things back to the bigger picture. The areas to discuss are so large that it can be hard to find people who can cover all aspects. 15:48:32 Lisa suggested we may need to revisit this idea again in a couple of weeks. 15:48:37 next item 15:49:25 action https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.p5pma1o6s97e 15:49:36 Charli will review the document 15:51:30 Lisa went through all the elements in the Action document - included item about GitHub and IRC support. 15:52:38 Lisa asked if adding more definitions for the terms that are used in Content Usable might be helpful 15:52:47 +q 15:53:07 ack next 15:53:36 Charli added github and irc and all these things 15:53:50 EA, images and mind map 15:54:05 EA - a mindmap or flow chart or something would be super helpful! 15:58:43 Hard to achieve graphical representation of the content of Content Usable but it would need constant updating. It would hard work. 15:59:21 q+ 15:59:53 ack next 16:00:21 +1 to Julie and Lisa about time needed for a mindmap - 16:01:00 email subject lines need to be precise - tailored to topic 16:01:27 Julie suggested they need to grab people's attention - Len agreed 16:02:25 suggestion that there should be guidelines on better subject lines in emails 16:03:19 Yes to definitions 16:03:21 +1 16:03:56 Thank you to those sharing challenges participating. 16:04:04 I appreciate the conversation by all. 16:04:18 +1 thanks also 16:04:23 +1 16:04:23 +1 and thanks 16:04:44 Lisa Can you include a deadline for adding to the google doc? 16:05:00 RRSAgent, publish minutes 16:05:02 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/16-coga-minutes.html Lisa 16:06:12 LenB has left #coga 22:01:21 kirkwood has joined #COGA 22:03:20 kirkwood has joined #COGA 22:23:27 kirkwood has joined #COGA 23:27:18 kirkwood has joined #COGA