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16:02:59 <tidoust> Meeting: Browser Testing and Tools WG
16:03:02 <tidoust> Chair: David
16:03:08 <AutomatedTester> agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebDriver/2025-06-BiDi
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16:08:23 <AutomatedTester> topic: Consider removing support for ftp proxy from capabilities
16:08:39 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/pull/932
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16:09:28 <AutomatedTester> whimboo: there is an issue open on what to do with FTP proxy. THis doesn't appear to be supported by browsers really so I have proposed changes to remove with without a deprecation warning
16:09:30 <jimevans> present+
16:10:07 <AutomatedTester> ... since there is no support can we get this removed? If there are concerns please add them to the review of the issues. Thanks
16:10:10 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:11:29 <AutomatedTester> Action: Raise issue with Selenium and webdriverio to remove this from their client bindings if the spec changes. merge. <- Whimboo
16:11:49 <AutomatedTester> topic: Support for accessing localStorage and sessionStorage
16:12:50 <jgraham> Scribe: jgraham
16:13:34 <tidoust> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/issues/921
16:14:26 <orkon> q+
16:14:32 <jgraham> whimboo: Filed this issue recently because there are requests for localStorage and SessionStorage support. You can already access it using content scripts, but you can't do things like access storage before a page is loaded, like we have for cookies. Also have an issue for IndexedDB, not sure what the relative priority is, but maybe *storage is
16:14:32 <jgraham> good to do first. We may have different storage partitioning between different browsers; needs discussion. We can use the storage module that we already have for these/
16:14:57 <jgraham> s|/|.|
16:15:02 <jgraham> q?
16:15:06 <jgraham> ack orkon
16:16:30 <jgraham> orkon: I think it would be great to have this supported. What's the specific use case; it's not in the issue? I guess it's restoring state between tests. In puppeteer we've heard the use case of clearing local storage, but user contexts also solve this use case. Depending on the use case we might want general access, but for a more limited use case
16:16:30 <jgraham> we could just create a user context with the storage prefilled. But maybe we want the general one.
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16:16:38 <jgraham> ack jgraham
16:17:05 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: Unless there are severe complexity we should have the same model as with cookies
16:17:22 <AutomatedTester> ... my feeling is that we should just match the cookie model as much as we can
16:17:29 <AutomatedTester> scribe: automatedtester
16:17:35 <AutomatedTester> q?
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16:17:42 <jgraham> RRSAgent: make minutes
16:17:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/11-webdriver-minutes.html jgraham
16:17:49 <AutomatedTester> ack jdescottes
16:17:54 <jdescottes> https://github.com/microsoft/playwright/issues/35864
16:18:08 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: to answer the motivation I will show the link from playwright
16:18:48 <AutomatedTester> ... they do this to get and dump indexeddb. They want to do this via bidi instead of doing a weird fake tab/page that they hide from end users
16:18:56 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:19:43 <AutomatedTester> topic: CDDL syntax highlighting and linking in specs, minor adjustments to keep in mind in further spec edits
16:19:53 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/pull/927
16:20:18 <AutomatedTester> tidoust: long time ago, I mentioned that I did some work on bikeshed with cddl
16:20:58 <AutomatedTester> ... this was dependent on bikeshed release and this was done last week. You will have noticed that this now allows better blocks and links
16:21:09 <AutomatedTester> ... there is an issue with bidi using 2 versions of cddl
16:21:37 <AutomatedTester> ...  I have created a PR to surface this to the in the spec
16:22:00 <jgraham> q+
16:22:01 <AutomatedTester> ... I am raising this for future PRs to be aware
16:22:20 <AutomatedTester> ... also. there is a question if we want the index at the beginning or the end as this spec has a lot of them
16:22:23 <AutomatedTester> ack jgraham
16:22:42 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: thank you, this looks super cool and makes the spec more readable
16:23:20 <AutomatedTester> ... I don't have a strong opinion on beginning or end
16:23:37 <AutomatedTester> ... we can discuss that in the PR when looking at the preview
16:23:41 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:24:09 <AutomatedTester> topic: Meeting at TPAC 2025 in Kobe, 10-14 November 2025
16:24:26 <AutomatedTester> tidoust: I am raising t
16:25:04 <AutomatedTester> ... this to make sure that we raise the with the TPAC group. WE need to make sure that we answer if this WG is going and when we would like to meet
16:25:21 <jgraham> q+
16:25:31 <AutomatedTester> ack jgraham
16:26:24 <orkon> q+
16:26:54 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I would like to do know if people want to travel. if not we can do something with a better timezone
16:26:57 <AutomatedTester> ack orkon
16:27:18 <AutomatedTester> orkon: I think. sadym was planning on going but that is it from our. side
16:28:30 <AutomatedTester> topic: Negative zero serialization
16:28:42 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/issues/887
16:29:57 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: there was an issue. raised where someone raised -0. we currently do this a special representation as a string but JSON can do this natively
16:30:33 <AutomatedTester> ... first question: is there a strong case for changing this? I feel its highly risky with little reward.
16:30:39 <AutomatedTester> q?
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16:30:53 <AutomatedTester> ack orkon
16:31:31 <AutomatedTester> orkon: I don't know enough about client libraries. it's not been an issue with our client. I think we should leave it as is as the case isn't strong enough
16:31:53 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:32:25 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: if people have any strong opinions please add further comments to the issue
16:33:42 <AutomatedTester> ... then the 2nd issue that gsnedders pointed out. We are currently using it as Number and it should probably be Float64. I am going to look into using JSInt or Float64. Does anyone have concerns?
16:33:56 <AutomatedTester> q?
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16:34:02 <AutomatedTester> ack orkon
16:35:14 <AutomatedTester> orkon: I recall that CDDL spec has rules around JSON compatible. I think we should be using what the spec suggest as we use what is there
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16:36:36 <jgraham> RSSAgent: make minutes
16:36:59 <jgraham> zakim, bye
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