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14:53:18 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:53:32 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
14:53:41 <Fazio> chair: David Fazio
14:56:08 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:56:08 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #263 Change Culture Dimension To Oversight and Culture
14:57:23 <Fazio> agenda+ Github Issue #259 Update Research Section review
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15:04:31 <Neha> zakim, start meeting
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15:04:33 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Neha
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15:04:49 <Neha> zakim, next item
15:04:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:04:57 <Neha> agenda?
15:05:53 <CharlesL> q+
15:07:12 <Neha> Fazio: wai leadership wants to stay updated with style guide, abstract and introduction updates, so every thing is on the track
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15:10:14 <Neha> CharlesL: Gave TPAC visit updates, mostly joining virtually
15:10:50 <Neha> q?
15:10:55 <Neha> ack CharlesL
15:11:04 <Neha> zakim, next item
15:11:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Github Issue #263 Change Culture Dimension To Oversight and Culture -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:11:43 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/263
15:11:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/263 -> Issue 263 Change Culture Dimension To Oversight and Culture (by Helixopp)
15:12:35 <Neha> Fazio: It strarted from #244 There are currently no proof points related to fiscal aspects of implementing the maturity model. Without budget for the initiative, probability of success (full maturity ) is low
15:13:00 <Neha> Fazio: we decided to change Culture Dimension To Oversight and Culture
15:14:02 <Neha> Fazio: Proposed new "Oversight and Culture" dimension Proof point language:
15:14:02 <Neha> Exception / risk acceptance process which includes justification, time limits, and executive approval in place for non-accessible digital assets developed, procured, or used by the organization.
15:14:24 <Neha> Fazio: Resolved #255
15:14:56 <Neha> Fazio: De we need separate proof points, Jeff?
15:15:22 <Neha> Jeff: We need separate proof points
15:15:37 <Neha> Jeff: They are also mentioned in #244
15:16:26 <Neha> Fazio: we have sample language with issue #244 and #255
15:17:38 <Fazio> Should: "Financial planning in place and funding committed for advancing this dimension's proof points to full maturity (optimize stage)" go in Oversight or all dimensions
15:17:43 <Neha> Jeff: Shall we add it in one place or add it as a separate proof points in each dimension
15:18:31 <SusiPallero> I think it should have a place on each dimension
15:19:02 <Neha> Fazio: It should be inside Oversight
15:19:36 <Dr_Keith> q?
15:19:41 <Neha> Jeff: Still thinking about it as it should not be missed by people
15:19:45 <Neha> ack Dr_Keith
15:21:06 <Neha> Dr_Keith: still unclear where it will fit as there is a very thin line
15:21:34 <CharlesL> q+
15:21:48 <Neha> Fazio: Explained with the help of central fund vs department fund example
15:23:32 <Neha> Jeff: Producment of a thing requires it to be present and it does not bother where it is but just want it to be covered
15:25:27 <Neha> Fazio: We have only 2 Proof points in culture so we may be able to separate it
15:27:18 <Neha> ack CharlesL
15:29:17 <Neha> CharlesL: Originally I was with Dr_Keith that we should have it at one place and refer from there. Duplicating it in some dimensions may increase confusion.
15:30:17 <Neha> CharlesL: It may it missed if it placed at one place, so I dont know
15:30:49 <CharlesL> s/CharlesL/JeffK
15:32:08 <Neha> Jeff: I guess an experienced person would be dealing with this so it won't confuse I suppose
15:33:14 <Neha> Fazio: three options
15:33:30 <Neha> 1. Put it in all dimensions
15:33:42 <Neha> 2. Put it in Oversight
15:33:56 <Dr_Keith> Option 2 - Place in Oversight
15:34:08 <Neha> 3. Have a different version in Oversight
15:34:18 <CharlesL> I vote Option 2.
15:34:33 <Neha> Neha: Option 1
15:34:52 <SusiPallero> Option 1 but I am ok with having 2 for now
15:35:15 <Fazio> option 2
15:35:41 <SusiPallero> I'm ok
15:35:52 <Neha> Option 2 = 4
15:35:56 <Neha> I am also okay
15:37:54 <Fazio> Oversight and Culture Proof Point language Financial planning in place and funding committed for advancing progress in all dimensions towards full maturity
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15:39:59 <Neha> Jeff: I will update sync up excel
15:40:05 <Neha> zakim, next item
15:40:05 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Github Issue #259 Update Research Section review -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:40:29 <jkline> queue+
15:41:38 <Neha> Jeff: I have some review work on it
15:42:02 <Neha> Sheri: I can put this on a google doc and ask for everyone's opinion
15:42:14 <Neha> Sheri: I will send an email to everyone
15:42:27 <Neha> rssagent, make minutes
15:43:22 <Neha> Sheri: We can add as a research appendix
15:45:12 <Neha> Sheri: replace 1.3 or we can put a brief information in 1.3 and detailed one in research section
15:45:21 <Neha> Sheri: I can opt for anything
15:46:21 <CharlesL> rrsagent, make logs public
15:46:26 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:46:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/11-maturity-minutes.html CharlesL
15:46:35 <Neha> Fazio: I do not want to break the flow of reading, so we can add as a anchor list for moreinformation
15:47:15 <Neha> Sheri: I will do that in a couple of days
15:47:26 <Neha> Thanks CharlesL
15:49:18 <Neha> Jeff: Proposed to add  new "Oversight and Culture" dimension Proof point language:
15:49:18 <Neha> Exception / risk acceptance process which includes justification, time limits, and executive approval in place for non-accessible digital assets developed procured, or used by the organization
15:50:22 <Neha> Fazio: it is wordy but good
15:50:43 <Neha> Sheri: It covers all aspects and it is not wordy
15:51:04 <Fazio> Jeff proposes adding the following proof point to oversight and culture: Exception / risk acceptance process which includes justification, time limits, and executive approval, in place for non-accessible digital assets developed procured, or used by the organization.
15:51:11 <Neha> +1
15:52:49 <Neha> CharlesL: IAAP mentions many maturity models CMM, BDF. Shall we mention those?
15:53:10 <Neha> Sheri: CMM is not related to a11y but overall s/w develop so we can mention that
15:53:34 <Neha> BDF is proprietary
15:54:43 <Neha> Sheri: BDF is UK specific
15:57:21 <Neha> Sheri: DAM is open source, I wrote it
15:57:42 <Neha> Jeff: No it is not
15:58:07 <Neha> Sheri: looks like they changed it after our research
15:59:26 <Neha> Sheri: I will send of google doc link after updates
16:00:35 <Neha> zakim, end meeting
16:00:35 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, jkline, CharlesL, SusiPallero, Neha, Dr_Keith
16:00:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/11-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
16:00:44 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Neha; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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