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11:08:26 <sebastian> <MK setup the today's agenda>
11:09:45 <sebastian> topic: Minutes
11:10:28 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-uc-minutes.html
11:11:07 <sebastian> s/<MK setup the today's agenda>/<MM setup today's agenda>
11:11:18 <sebastian> MM: any changes, objections?
11:11:36 <sebastian> TM: no problems
11:11:45 <sebastian> minutes are approved
11:12:12 <sebastian> topic: Progress of Use Case Call
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11:14:15 <mjk> seb: we decided in the main call to move the use case work to the relevant task force
11:15:04 <mjk> mm: What will we do with the existing content
11:15:23 <mjk> seb: a lot of the content is from the very early work on WoT
11:15:35 <mjk> ... we could retire a lot of the content
11:16:01 <mjk> mm: one of the pending PRs removes a lot of the old content
11:16:53 <mjk> mm: the new process will use the use case document as a central index to other documents that are generated in the task forces
11:17:20 <mjk> ... but we need to work on the requirements wit hthe task force providing the content
11:17:23 <sebastian> q?
11:17:40 <mjk> ... there is still the issue with people to work on the central document
11:18:18 <mjk> ... there are 2 PRs to start the work
11:18:42 <mjk> ... let's review those PRs and see where we are
11:19:00 <mjk> ... still waiting for a policy document from Ben
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11:19:37 <mjk> seb: there is also the Architecture document that has use case information
11:19:54 <mjk> mm: a lot of that can be deleted, but still need people to work on it
11:20:14 <mjk> ... the Architecture draft needs a more thoughtful approach
11:20:36 <mjk> ... we need volunteers to clean up the documents
11:20:57 <EgeKorkan> q+
11:21:35 <mjk> ege: we need to agree on the future of these documents, what is the ideal goal
11:22:07 <mjk> ... what is the role of the documents?
11:22:58 <mjk> mm: it's for us to have a clear vision of where we're going
11:24:09 <mjk> ... we need more explanation of the purpose in the process documentation
11:24:22 <mjk> ... and more definition
11:24:33 <sebastian> q?
11:24:38 <sebastian> ack E
11:25:20 <mjk> ... we are calling user stories use cases to avoid confusion
11:25:40 <mjk> ... how do we create actionable data?
11:25:54 <mjk> q+
11:27:04 <mjk> mm: my vision for this document is that this document is a linking of user stories to features
11:27:42 <mjk> ... this document should focus on justification for features
11:28:19 <mjk> ... the PRs are also removing the bulk of requirements
11:30:13 <mjk> ... the user stories define requirements
11:30:32 <sebastian> <sorry, I need to step out>
11:30:32 <EgeKorkan> q+
11:30:40 <mjk> ack mjk
11:31:04 <mjk> mm: one point is some features don't have detailed user stories
11:31:19 <mjk> ... also it's good to have things all in one place
11:32:04 <mjk> ege: another discussion is high level use cases for the deliverables themselves, for example we need a TD to do device onboarding
11:32:20 <mjk> ... this could drive hundreds of features
11:32:57 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2098
11:33:44 <mjk> mjk: as an IoT industry, I need a standardized document format for onboarding IoT devices so that we can grow the industry and avoid duplicated effort across organizations
11:33:59 <mjk> mm: they can all be user stories
11:34:25 <mjk> mm: these is still a need for a separate document to pull things together
11:35:00 <mjk> ... maybe we should call them user scenarios to clarify things
11:35:49 <mjk> ... the central document is almost ready to go, let's review the status of the PRs
11:37:16 <mjk> ... there is a PR to delete the Functional Requirements
11:37:48 <mjk> ... there is another PR that removes discovery requirements and adds some user stories
11:38:36 <mjk> ... these PRs are about 3/4 done
11:39:17 <mjk> q?
11:39:50 <mjk> q+
11:40:11 <EgeKorkan> ack e
11:40:32 <EgeKorkan> q+
11:40:35 <mjk> ... the central document could mainly categorize and index user stories
11:41:26 <mjk> ack mjk
11:42:45 <mjk> ege: a lot of the use cases in section 2 and 3 are generic IoT use cases and don't help to focus the TD work
11:45:36 <mjk> ... we only need a small number of high level use cases like device onboarding
11:45:51 <mjk> mm: agree these are generic IoT use cases
11:47:04 <mjk> mm: we should rename use case to user scenario
11:47:34 <mjk> ... also some of the document describes technology in general
11:48:47 <mjk> ege: we should evaluate the impact of features
11:50:02 <EgeKorkan> ack e
11:52:29 <mjk> mm: summarizes the discussion in a github issue
11:58:52 <mjk> ... please review and comment on the issue #362
11:59:58 <mjk> ... let's adjourn and update the agenda later
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12:00:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items