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14:01:51 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
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14:02:14 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:02:44 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#June_4-5%2C_2025
14:02:55 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
14:03:00 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
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14:03:05 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:03:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:03:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:03:19 <kaz> q+
14:03:43 <kaz> q-
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14:05:56 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
14:07:15 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:07:58 <cris> cris has joined #wot-td
14:08:15 <kaz> scribenick: cris
14:08:36 <cris> Ege: welcome
14:08:48 <cris> topic: Agenda
14:08:58 <cris> Ege: we have a more discussion oriented session
14:09:10 <cris> ... if there is time will look into the Github project status
14:09:15 <kaz> i|we have|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#June_4-5%2C_2025 Agenda for today|
14:09:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:09:27 <cris> ... for tomorrow we are working on the TD toolchain repository
14:09:35 <cris> ... we are going to have some updates on that
14:09:42 <cris> topic: minutes review
14:09:46 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/05/21-wot-td-minutes.html May-21
14:09:57 <cris> ege: anything that needs to be updated?
14:10:36 <cris> ege: minutes approved
14:10:58 <cris> topic: Binding registry Small Update
14:11:24 <cris> ege: we now have a new repository called wot-bindings-registry
14:11:36 <cris> ... I can't change the description of the repository
14:11:41 <EgeKorkan> > https://w3c.github.io/wot-bindings-registry/
14:12:25 <cris> ... the initial document PR has been merged
14:12:33 <EgeKorkan> https://w3c.github.io/wot-bindings-registry/
14:12:41 <cris> ... which means that now we have the first editor draft (see link above)
14:12:50 <kaz> i|the initial|kaz: you can create an Issue for that, and I can update the description|
14:12:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:12:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:13:12 <kaz> s/minutes review/Minutes review/
14:13:23 <kaz> i|you can|scribenick: kaz|
14:13:30 <kaz> i|the initial|scribenick: cris|
14:13:31 <cris> ... we have two small issues to discuss
14:13:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:13:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:13:44 <kaz> s/> h/h/
14:13:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:13:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:13:53 <cris> ... is anybody open to volunteer for issue number 7 ?
14:13:57 <cris> s/7/7 and 8/
14:14:05 <dape> q+
14:14:32 <cris> dape: I can volunteer for 8
14:14:46 <kaz> s|https://w3c.github.io/wot-bindings-registry/|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/pull/6 registry PR 6 - Initial Document|
14:14:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:14:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:15:33 <kaz> i|I can vo|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/issues/7 registry Issue 7 - Writing the Abstract and Informative Introduction|
14:15:57 <kaz> i|I can vo|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/issues/8 registry Issue 8 - Copying over the Requirements.md content to index.html|
14:15:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:16:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:16:06 <cris> ege: I'll take number 7
14:16:14 <dape> q+
14:16:50 <dape> ack dape
14:16:54 <cris> dape: I notice a minor issue in the license file, we speak about test suites, is it correct? I am not sure we'll do actual testing.
14:16:56 <kaz> q+
14:17:20 <cris> kaz: we should check the license from the tml registry
14:17:43 <cris> ... I'll give a look
14:18:56 <kaz> q-
14:19:16 <kaz> s/tml/TTWG/
14:19:21 <kaz> s/registry/registry, etc./
14:19:59 <kaz> s/I'll give a look/I'll check the other registry repos. Also check with PLH./
14:20:29 <cris> cris: you can add your statement in the commit message too.
14:20:41 <cris> kaz: ok
14:20:54 <cris> ege: I hope we don't have the same issue in other places
14:21:00 <kaz> i/you can/kaz: as the starting point, we can remove the last two lines about CLA and BSD license for today./
14:21:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:21:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:21:13 <cris> ... I notice we have one in wot-binding-templates repository
14:22:06 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
14:22:20 <kaz> i|as the star|scribenick: kaz|
14:22:28 <kaz> i|you can add|scribenick: cris|
14:22:30 <cris> topic: PR
14:22:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:22:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:22:38 <kaz> s/PR/PRs/
14:22:45 <cris> subtopic: data mapping analysis
14:22:54 <kaz> s/PRs/TD PRs/
14:23:18 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2105 TD PR 2105 - Add HTTP to the data mapping analisys|
14:23:18 <cris> ege: What is your opinion about creating user stories?
14:23:28 <kaz> s/analysis|/analysis/
14:23:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:23:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:24:16 <kaz> q+
14:24:26 <cris> luca: 90% of the who is always the same
14:24:43 <cris> ... it was not annoying but redundant
14:24:48 <cris> ege: any other point
14:25:08 <kaz> s/point/point?/
14:25:38 <cris> luca: another point, thinking about URI variables this is a sort of data mapping. We can uniform URI variables with this data mapping work
14:25:47 <cris> ... we can spin up the work
14:25:54 <cris> ... and add the relevant user story
14:25:59 <cris> q+
14:26:05 <kaz> q- later
14:26:54 <cris> ack c
14:27:15 <cris> cris: +1 to work on URI variables together with data mapping
14:27:25 <cris> kaz: there is a typo in the title
14:27:40 <kaz> q-
14:28:00 <kaz> s/analisys|/analysis/
14:28:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:28:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:28:36 <kaz> s/in the title/in the title for "analysis"/
14:28:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:28:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:28:49 <cris> ege: the thing code base would not be necessary effected.
14:29:02 <cris> luca: we can even depecrated
14:29:08 <cris> ... URI Variables
14:29:13 <cris> ege: ok, +1
14:29:18 <cris> cris: +1
14:29:51 <cris> q+
14:31:39 <cris> q-
14:32:05 <cris> ege: merged
14:32:47 <kaz> i|ok|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#form-uriVariables TD ED - 6.3.9.1 uriVariables
14:32:58 <kaz> s/depecrated/deprecate/
14:33:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:33:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:35:03 <cris> subtopic: Manageable affordances
14:35:15 <EgeKorkan> scribenick: EgeKorkan
14:36:27 <EgeKorkan> ca: as Luca said, "Who" part is difficult to describe or it is too obvious
14:36:34 <kaz> i|Manage|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2094#issuecomment-2940281795 TD Issue 2094 - Collecting Analysis on Data Mapping (Ege's comments based on the discussion today)|
14:36:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:36:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:36:43 <EgeKorkan> ... you are always the TD designer or the person who needs to onboard
14:37:21 <kaz> i|as Luca|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2107 TD PR 2107 - Improve analysis manageable affordances document and add an initial list of user stories.|
14:37:22 <EgeKorkan> ... there is a list in the UC TF, we can list there or copy them over here
14:37:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:37:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:39:42 <kaz> q+
14:40:16 <EgeKorkan> ca: some feedback would be good on the "why" part as well
14:41:35 <EgeKorkan> ek: I would mention maybe "so that I can monitor or cancel an invoked action"
14:42:10 <EgeKorkan> kaz: a requirement should not need a "who" I think. The use case would have a user
14:44:30 <EgeKorkan> ... since the TD TF can work on their own for the requirements
14:44:40 <EgeKorkan> ek: maybe we will see a trend
14:44:58 <EgeKorkan> ca: we can say that in TD TF, the "Who" would have a default answer of "TD designer"
14:46:17 <EgeKorkan> ... these were good tests for the template from my point of view
14:46:33 <kaz> @@@
14:47:28 <kaz> s/@@@/kaz: as discussed during the main call today, the end of the WoT WG Charter is approaching in 4 months, we should think about how to deal with spec generation schedule and necessary UCR discussion for that purpose./
14:47:30 <EgeKorkan> ... I have also found other types of affordances (not just actions)
14:47:40 <kaz> i|as dis|scribenick: kaz|
14:47:57 <kaz> s/... I have|ca: I have|
14:48:05 <kaz> i|I have|scribenick: EgeKorkan|
14:48:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:48:49 <kaz> s|... I have|ca: I have|
14:48:52 <kaz> i|I have|scribenick: EgeKorkan|
14:48:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:49:04 <EgeKorkan> ... also the preemtible actions keyword were interesting
14:49:31 <EgeKorkan> ... in general I have added more linked issues
14:49:44 <kaz> i|I have also found|scribenick: EgeKorkan|
14:49:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:49:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:50:51 <EgeKorkan> ... then I have added user stories
14:52:02 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2107/commits/0c237463d81b5d05fd11ff817acd3519d1c0785d TD PR 2107 - Improve analysis manageable affordances document and add an initial list of user stories.
14:52:07 <EgeKorkan> ... I am not sure about existing solutions section
14:52:33 <EgeKorkan> q+
14:52:37 <kaz> q-
14:52:38 <EgeKorkan> ... I will increase the section
14:52:51 <cris> scribenick: cris
14:53:18 <kaz> s/stories./stories. Cristiano's updates on user stories/
14:53:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:53:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:53:36 <cris> ege: Existing solutions section is about other solutions that can describe the user story
14:53:46 <cris> ... they might be even commercial solutions
14:54:02 <cris> ... you can put there anything that is not a theory
14:54:12 <cris> ... and standards
14:54:53 <cris> ... also previous WoT spec can be listed
14:55:16 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/3994dfdfb49b8192f5c838d6822e3272f8a1f892/planning/work-items/analysis/analysis-manageable-affordances.md rendered MD from the PR 2107
14:55:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:55:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:56:34 <cris> ege: I had an example of a TD that had a primitive concept of manageable actions
14:58:25 <kaz> q?
14:58:28 <EgeKorkan> ack e
14:58:34 <cris> ege: AOB ?
14:58:58 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:59:00 <cris> [adjourned]
14:59:06 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//