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13:59:20 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:59:24 <janina> Meeting: WAI-Adapt Teleconference
13:59:29 <janina> Date 03 Jun 2025
13:59:34 <janina> Chair: Janina
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14:00:26 <janina> Regrets: Annalu, Lionel
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14:06:03 <janina> topic: WKD
14:06:21 <janina> matatk: Notes we've been symbols focussed and not keeping up with WKD
14:06:46 <janina> matatk: Have more time now because have staff. Will be updating Explainer
14:07:13 <janina> matatk: There are also related developments from GAD, other W3C ...
14:07:28 <janina> matatk: Good use case for symbols will be WKD!
14:07:53 <janina> matatk: We can make the browser extension support symbols in WKD
14:08:07 <janina> matatk: We've also been thinking what web sites
14:08:20 <janina> matatk: Start would be WAI
14:08:26 <janina> janina: I think that's done!
14:08:59 <janina> matatk: No deliverables to show today, but WKD not forgotten; and updates coming soon
14:09:26 <janina> Abhinav: Notes two parts ...
14:09:40 <janina> Abhinav: Server side is clear; how do we do the user side?
14:09:49 <janina> matatk: I see two answers
14:10:16 <janina> matatk: Ultimately we expect browsers to support; though presentation may not be suitable for everyone
14:10:34 <janina> matatk: I expect some users will need extensions for their particular presentational needs
14:10:56 <janina> matatk: We'll demonstrate with an extension; but our goal is direct browser support
14:11:43 <janina> Abhinav: How do we get our initial users for totyping and feedback?
14:12:21 <janina> matatk: We actually have access to a fairly good userbase, e.g. WAI-IG, COGA, APA, AGWG, ...
14:13:00 <janina> matatk: Perhaps we could link to a embedded html form for feedback
14:13:35 <janina> Abhinav: Should we take up some topics today? Or take the open items for off line on list?
14:15:31 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:15:31 <Zakim> Present: janina, Russell, matatk, Abhinav
14:15:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see matatk, Abhinav, Russell, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, gb, hadleybeeman, jcraig, Roy_Ruoxi
14:16:00 <janina> topic: AAC
14:16:25 <janina> matatk: No work for Russell just now, I will be updating Explainer
14:16:38 <Russell> present-
14:16:51 <janina> topic: WKD Comments
14:17:06 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279
14:17:07 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279 -> Pull Request 279 Update well-known destinations explainer in accordance with TPAC 2024 (by matatk)
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14:19:03 <janina> scribe+
14:19:27 <janina> matatk: Notes 288 (rhel)
14:19:38 <janina> matatk: and  289 -- Criteria for adding new values
14:20:21 <janina> matatk: Looking at comments to ensure we have an issue for all that need one!
14:20:37 <janina> matatk: Notes 296 for localization
14:25:48 <janina> matatk: matatk: Looking at comment/question on what links are WKD; janina: Key use case from COGA is distraction support
14:25:51 <janina> matatk: styling
14:26:19 <janina> janina: Somewhat like W3C's new minutes page without navbar -- much like an html 2.0 page
14:26:53 <janina> Abhinav: points to
14:27:15 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279#pullrequestreview-2461622235 - 193 - where the anchor element has a rel attribute that contains the well known destination value of 'help'
14:27:24 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:27:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/03-adapt-minutes.html janina
14:27:46 <janina> matatk: Bit concerned about performance -- but will be more efficient if browser-based
14:28:35 <janina> matatk: Worth exploring; may be we separate into two parts
14:28:55 <janina> janina: Notes no issue?
14:28:58 <janina> matatk: Correct
14:29:54 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:29:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/03-adapt-minutes.html janina
14:32:00 <janina> matatk: Notes and share efficiency concern when in an extension;
14:32:21 <matatk> Re distractions - https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279#pullrequestreview-2461634889
14:32:21 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279 -> Pull Request 279 Update well-known destinations explainer in accordance with TPAC 2024 (by matatk)
14:32:39 <janina> issue 290
14:33:30 <janina> matatk: We need to explain why not using linksets
14:33:34 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279#pullrequestreview-2461673771
14:33:58 <janina> matatk: in alternatives considered section; mayh come back!
14:34:44 <matatk> Re definitions for things like sub-sites and sub-domains: https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279#pullrequestreview-2461686359
14:35:46 <janina> Abhinav: Explain why not using IETF wku
14:36:12 <janina> Abhinav: needs to be better documented
14:39:33 <janina> matatk: Notes one alternative previously considred
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14:39:54 <janina> matatk: But documentation not caught up
14:40:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:40:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:40:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/03-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:41:32 <janina> matatk: just rhel on any link -- have arg against vecause relies on content being in every page
14:41:39 <matatk> ^ re https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279#pullrequestreview-2461705061
14:42:23 <matatk> Re review comment (overall) from Abhinav: https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279#pullrequestreview-2870580285
14:42:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/279 -> Pull Request 279 Update well-known destinations explainer in accordance with TPAC 2024 (by matatk)
14:42:52 <janina> matatk: Also considered WKU+rhel; implementers said no
14:43:16 <janina> matatk: If everyone coded their sites correctly, then it would work but that doesn't happen
14:43:57 <janina> Abhinav: Some global WKU we can take
14:44:36 <janina> matatk: agree they will apply to top as well as subdomain -- but can get confusing from author
14:45:06 <janina> matatk: for us to suggest multiple approaches would be confusing
14:45:32 <janina> matatk: browser devs pointed us to existing html markup we could use that's not currently used
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14:46:10 <janina> matatk: advantage is works for user and author as well
14:46:28 <janina> matatk: if concern on resources, browser devs were not concerned
14:46:51 <janina> matatk: Linksets can solve the repetition problem; and we may get there in a future rev
14:47:21 <janina> matatk: Notes no compatability problem should we eventually go to linksets
14:48:56 <janina> q+
14:49:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:49:09 <janina> ack me
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14:55:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
14:55:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack janina
14:55:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:56:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: I can go ahead and edit now based on the comments
14:57:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
14:57:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Russell, matatk, Abhinav, Lionel_Wolberger
14:57:07 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:57:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/03-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
14:57:14 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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