12:59:46 RRSAgent has joined #smart-cities 12:59:50 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/05/26-smart-cities-irc 13:00:32 mjk has joined #smart-cities 13:00:34 meeting: Web-based Digital Twins for Smart Cities IG 13:01:01 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Torbjorn_Lahrin, Hiroki_Endo, Mark_Fox 13:01:07 HirokiEndo has joined #smart-cities 13:01:29 ktoumura has joined #smart-cities 13:01:35 present+ Frederick_Gibson, Kunihiko_Toumura 13:02:19 present+ Linda_van_den_Brink 13:02:21 brinkwoman has joined #smart-cities 13:02:31 rrsagent, make log public 13:02:34 Mark has joined #smart-cities 13:02:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/26-smart-cities-minutes.html kaz 13:03:06 chair: Koster 13:03:59 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:04:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/26-smart-cities-minutes.html kaz 13:04:19 q? 13:05:38 scribenick: kaz 13:05:51 agenda: https://github.com/w3c/smart-cities/blob/main/README.md#26-may-2025-draft 13:06:10 s/-draft// 13:06:45 topic: Logistics 13:06:54 mjk: we have several guests today 13:07:11 ... would make sense to ask them to introduce themselves 13:07:43 ... (asks Torbjorn and Mark to introduce themselves) 13:07:56 tl: (gives his self intro) 13:09:16 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:09:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/26-smart-cities-minutes.html kaz 13:10:12 Mi has joined #smart-cities 13:10:18 mjk: happy to have you here 13:10:23 tl: happy to be here 13:10:35 mf: (also gives his self intro) 13:11:06 gibsonf1 has joined #smart-cities 13:11:17 present+ 13:13:31 q+ 13:14:24 mjk: sounds like we can have good discussion later :) 13:15:02 kaz: Frederick is also new 13:15:13 fg: (gives his intro too) 13:15:17 q- 13:17:20 mjk: let's make sure all the information is public 13:17:36 ... the IG is gathering resources on smart cities now 13:18:35 ... aob? 13:18:51 kaz: just to make sure, we have a dedicate section during this call for discussion 13:18:54 topic: Minutes 13:19:04 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/04/28-smart-cities-minutes.html April-28 13:19:10 mjk: (goes through the minutes) 13:20:21 q+ 13:21:07 linda: no comments on the minutes themselves 13:21:31 ... but wondering about the OGC section within resources.md 13:21:44 ... would be OK if I add some more updates? 13:21:47 kaz: sure 13:21:53 ... really appreciated 13:21:57 mjk: ok 13:22:07 ... no updates needed, so the minutes are approved 13:22:15 topic: PRs 13:22:28 -> https://github.com/w3c/smart-cities/pulls remaining PRs 13:22:33 mjk: no remaining PRs today 13:22:52 -> https://github.com/w3c/smart-cities/blob/main/resources.md resources.md 13:23:04 mjk: we're collecting information on the resources.md 13:23:21 ... any specific comments? 13:23:22 (none) 13:23:38 topic: Discussion 13:23:43 q+ 13:23:49 ack br 13:24:41 @@@ 13:27:23 mjk: we're trying to edit resources.md to collect information 13:28:32 subtopic: Torbjorn 13:28:49 tl: 30050 standards 13:29:13 ... one of the challenges was matter of understanding 13:29:30 ... which standards to be used by whom 13:30:09 ... W3C standards to be referred to from other standards 13:30:32 ... we can have a list 13:30:45 ... what to be done as the next step is also interesting 13:30:52 q? 13:31:03 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/06/smart-cities/ Smart Cities IG Charter 13:32:56 kaz: survey on existing standards and then discussion with you all 13:33:06 mjk: cross referencing is interesting 13:33:34 ... so it's useful to ask questions 13:33:50 ... at this moment, it's just a list 13:33:53 q+ to ask about indexing information 13:33:56 q- 13:35:05 ... figure out how to organize the indexing, etc. to be discussed 13:35:16 mf: would suggest something 13:35:47 ... there are many different kinds of standards generated by various SDOs 13:36:01 ... should have some categories and matrix for measurement 13:36:27 ... and then as Michael suggested, we should try deep diving and think about proper indexing 13:37:22 kaz: agree 13:37:35 ... started to work on tech categories also 13:37:48 -> https://github.com/w3c/smart-cities/blob/main/technology-categories.md technology-categories.md 13:37:54 kaz: but still struggling 13:38:30 q? 13:38:35 mf: what about ontology standardization 13:38:37 kaz: agree 13:39:05 ... personally interested in ontology standardization and Web-based framework as the basic categories 13:39:19 fg: specific generic types there 13:39:33 ... and we can map custom domains from W3C 13:39:43 ... 150 different ontologies already 13:39:51 ... happy to help you categorize them 13:39:57 kaz: tx! 13:40:01 q+ 13:40:06 ack gi 13:40:06 gibsonf, you wanted to ask about indexing information 13:40:34 tl: in ISO/IEC, we have some incorporated patter 13:40:55 ... to see how standards are related to each other 13:41:01 s/patter/pattern/ 13:41:19 ... could be worked with W3C as well 13:41:45 ... should work with each other more deeply 13:42:20 ... overview of what's missing for smart cities 13:42:51 ... trying to clarify the crucial points 13:43:50 kaz: +1 13:43:57 ... is there any existing resources? 13:44:09 tl: we can influence to W3C about that 13:44:20 ... within ISO/IEC, starting some work 13:44:34 ... starting JTC4 for smart cities 13:44:46 ... probably decided soon 13:46:04 mjk: ok. let's keep the discussion ongoing 13:46:08 q? 13:46:22 q+ Mark 13:46:41 linda: the list is already big 13:46:52 ... and would be great if we could choose what is needed 13:47:03 ... for digital twin and smart cities applications 13:47:07 ... would be a good outcome 13:47:10 kaz: right 13:47:12 q? 13:47:14 ack b 13:47:29 mf: this issue is related to all the standards 13:47:56 ... started to address technical issues 13:48:07 ... may I share my screen? 13:48:10 kaz: sure 13:48:26 mf: we're creating another Web page about resources 13:48:45 ... still no title added, though 13:49:09 https://citydatastandard.org/index.php 13:49:41 s/https/http/ 13:50:16 http://citydatastandard.org/index.php/Contract 13:51:09 http://citydatastandard.org/index.php/Organization 13:51:23 mf: happy to expose some of the information from this 13:51:37 ... a lot of work to relate different classes with each other 13:52:02 ... asking the students to handle it so far 13:52:09 ... but it's a lot of effort 13:53:06 ... but can expose some of them 13:53:09 kaz: yes 13:53:17 ... this is very useful and important 13:53:21 q+ to ask about citydatastandard 13:53:32 ... would be great if we could add a reference from our document 13:53:34 mjk: right 13:53:52 ... getting metadata is one of the problems 13:54:56 kaz: btw, is it OK to add the links in the minutes from this call? 13:54:58 mf: sure 13:55:02 q? 13:55:05 ack m 13:55:16 kaz: tx! 13:55:40 fg: we have cross reference also 13:55:49 ... search for standards 13:55:55 ... public viewing of it 13:56:12 ... we could literary cross reference the text search 13:56:22 ... super classes, etc., too 13:56:42 q? 13:56:51 mf: would love to try it out 13:56:53 q? 13:56:54 q+ 13:57:06 fg: would set up a quick demo for that 13:57:29 mjk: would be great 13:57:43 kaz: is that public at the moment? 13:57:53 fg: it's now scaling in production 13:57:56 ack g 13:57:56 gibsonf, you wanted to ask about citydatastandard 13:57:58 ack k 13:58:09 mjk: yeah, would see the demo 13:58:26 q+ 13:58:27 q? 13:59:27 topic: Next call 13:59:37 kaz: next monthly call on June 23 13:59:56 ... Frederick, do you think you can make your demo on that day? 13:59:59 fg: sure 14:00:17 tl: holiday in Sweden 14:00:27 mf: will be in Beijing, but would make it 14:00:40 linda: conflicting meeting on that day 14:01:12 mjk: maybe we can reschedule the meeting then 14:01:14 kaz: right 14:01:27 ... can generate a doodle poll for that purpose 14:01:32 mjk: let's do that! 14:01:41 ... any other business? 14:01:41 (none) 14:01:56 [adjourned] 14:02:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:02:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/26-smart-cities-minutes.html kaz