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11:49:58 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
11:50:14 <rashmi> Zakim, agenda?
11:50:14 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
11:50:15 <Zakim> 2. trigger warning patterns - how to deal with the uncertenties https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Itskr4srybRQa7hyIqMRiOPyjFyKB9apHYWdvGRb6gE/edit?tab=t.0 [from Lisa]
11:50:15 <Zakim> 3. trigger warning patterns - editing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Itskr4srybRQa7hyIqMRiOPyjFyKB9apHYWdvGRb6gE/edit?tab=t.0 [from Lisa]
11:50:15 <Zakim> 4. feedback See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VsHS-oQDR7XY87E91sd-zqYaq8DCH9Ppwf9YeqCNcks/edit?tab=t.6u0guiuj49eo#heading=h.9h7upmyt2ez1 [from Lisa]
11:50:18 <Zakim> 5. reminder for scribing https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list [from Lisa]
11:50:18 <Zakim> 6. reminder no call next week [from Lisa]
11:50:46 <rashmi> zakim, clear agenda
11:50:46 <Zakim> agenda cleared
11:51:11 <rashmi> agenda+ To discuss pattern -"Use color to aid orientation and focus"
11:51:11 <rashmi> Link [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CeqiSy3tVDoeBzCG8LpkyFT1fvugGk86JuT6NvfSiAA/edit?tab=t.0]
11:51:19 <rashmi> present+
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12:05:21 <rashmi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CeqiSy3tVDoeBzCG8LpkyFT1fvugGk86JuT6NvfSiAA/edit?tab=t.0
12:05:31 <rashmi> Use color to aid orientation and focus
12:16:15 <Lisa> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3743993/
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12:59:05 <kirkwood> ordera: draw attention -> focus -
12:59:47 <kirkwood> too many draw of attention can increase  overwhelm and increase  cognitive load
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15:03:41 <julierawe> zakim, start meeting
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15:03:43 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:03:52 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
15:03:59 <julierawe> Meeting: COGA WCAG 3 coordination subgroup
15:04:06 <julierawe> date: 22 may 2025
15:04:13 <julierawe> zakim, clear agenda
15:04:13 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:04:35 <julierawe> agenda+ AG charter renewal's proposed requirements for WCAG 3
15:04:45 <julierawe> present+
15:04:55 <julierawe> zakim, next item
15:04:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- AG charter renewal's proposed requirements for WCAG 3 -- taken up [from julierawe]
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15:12:17 <gareth> present+
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15:12:43 <tiffanyburtin> present+
15:14:05 <julierawe> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306
15:15:15 <julierawe> The Accessibility Guidelines Working Group (AG) is getting ready to renew its 2-year charter
15:15:45 <julierawe> This is an important time for COGA to support requirements we like/want and to express concerns about requirements that might make it harder to get our work into WCAG 3
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15:24:36 <julierawe> There is a lot of support (thumbs-up) for allowing assertions and conditional requirements—both are important for getting COGA work into WCAG 3
15:26:01 <julierawe> There are concerns about using short names instead of numbers for each requirement in WCAG 3. One reason for doing this is so that users can sort/filter WCAG 3 in different ways.
15:26:31 <julierawe> One reason to keep the numbers is that software and cross language conversations rely on the numbers.
15:31:59 <julierawe> A third requirement—to allow new ideas to start as best practices in WCAG 3—does not have much support.
15:32:30 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin expressed concern that best practices won't be followed. Would prefer to start new ideas as supplemental requirements.
15:32:48 <julierawe> gareth agrees. Best practices are seen as "nice to have."
15:34:00 <julierawe> julierawe There's also room for confusion because WCAG uses "best practices" in a way that is different from the rest of the industry
15:40:52 <julierawe> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13051999
15:41:11 <julierawe> This requirement is to use tags that would allow users to sort/filter the requirements.
15:46:02 <julierawe> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13208423
15:47:08 <julierawe> This alternate wording takes out "user-centered statements," which is jargony, and adds a sentence about user needs, which is very important. I added my thumbs-up to the alternate wording.
15:53:00 <julierawe> julierawe added a github comment about the following requirement: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13236644
15:53:42 <julierawe> julierawe recommends other COGA folks add a thumbs-up to her comment
15:53:52 <julierawe> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13236644
16:00:47 <julierawe> The proposal to have a smaller set of requirements for smaller organizations does not have a lot of support. Julie added her thumbs-down. https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13236644
16:06:04 <julierawe> Concerns about this proposal: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13052063
16:06:26 <julierawe> And concerns about the proposed alternate wording for that proposal: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13208596
16:07:05 <julierawe> julierawe added a thumbs-down to both
16:10:25 <julierawe> Main comment we want to thumbs-down: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13052063
16:11:06 <julierawe> Alternate wording we want to thumbs-down: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13208596
16:11:55 <julierawe> julierawe added a comment and encourages COGA folks to add their thumbs-up: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13236783
16:15:06 <julierawe> The group discussed a draft requirement about 3rd party content: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13052067
16:16:30 <julierawe> The alternate wording for this draft requirement is also concerning: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13208673
16:17:49 <julierawe> julierawe added a comment and encourages COGA folks to add their thumbs-up: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13236846
16:22:23 <julierawe> rrsagent, make minutes
16:22:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/22-coga-minutes.html julierawe
16:22:46 <julierawe> gareth There needs to be a bigger push here
16:23:29 <julierawe> rrsagent, make minutes
16:23:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/22-coga-minutes.html julierawe
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