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17:02:59 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA WG
17:03:02 <jamesn> agendabot, find agenda
17:03:02 <agendabot> jamesn, OK. This may take a minute...
17:03:02 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/5a155237-d896-464b-9c5f-6dd1654293ae/20250522T130000/
17:03:02 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:03:02 <agendabot> agenda+ -> New PR Triage https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+created%3A%3E%3D2025-05-15+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria&type=Issues
17:03:03 <agendabot> agenda+ -> WPT Open PRs https://bit.ly/wpt_a11y
17:03:06 <agendabot> agenda+ -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates
17:03:09 <agendabot> agenda+ -> AccName PR Bash https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Aspec%3Aaccname+sort%3Acreated-asc
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17:04:24 <jamesn> zakim, pick a victim
17:04:24 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose front-endian-jane
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17:04:47 <pkra> scribe+
17:04:50 <katez> present+
17:04:55 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:04:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- -> New PR Triage https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+created%3A%3E%3D2025-05-15+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria&type=Issues -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:04:57 <lola> present+
17:05:11 <chrishtr> present+
17:05:12 <Adam_Page> present+
17:05:14 <pkra> jamesn: we're skipping issue triage this week. We want to do it every 2 weeks.
17:05:17 <Daniel> present+
17:05:21 <pkra> ... but we'll do PR triage to get the massigned.
17:05:23 <pkra> present+
17:05:53 <pkra> spectranaut_: the PR triage might move to a later point in the meeting.
17:06:04 <Francis_Storr> present+
17:06:06 <melsumner> present+
17:06:09 <pkra> jamesn: helps with late coming.
17:06:24 <pkra> jamesn: first PR is adding rahim as html-aam editor.
17:06:36 <pkra> clay: will do.
17:06:59 <pkra> jamesn: next one for peter
17:07:01 <pkra> pkra: yes.
17:07:10 <pkra> jamesn: last one is DPUB update.
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17:07:21 <StefanS> present+
17:07:31 <pkra> ... this can be done without the group
17:07:34 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:07:34 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- -> WPT Open PRs https://bit.ly/wpt_a11y -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:08:04 <pkra> jamesn: I don't think anything new here this week
17:08:07 <pkra> zakim, close this item
17:08:07 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
17:08:08 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:08:08 <Zakim> 3. -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates [from agendabot]
17:08:09 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:08:09 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:08:22 <aardrian> Q+
17:08:25 <lola> q+
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17:08:57 <jamesn> ack aardrian
17:09:19 <pkra> aardrian: is a tables deep dive reasonable? There are 3 issues, one already had a deep dive but I'd like the others two ready by TPAC.
17:09:40 <Siri> present+
17:09:50 <pkra> jamesn: depends a bit. Might make sense to wait for tpac, depending what you're after.
17:10:11 <pkra> aardrian: right, I was hoping to prep so we can finalize at TPAC.
17:10:19 <pkra> ... I'd start with table sorting.
17:10:38 <pkra> jamesn: do you have a preferred week?
17:10:49 <pkra> aardrian: not super urgent.
17:10:52 <pkra> ack aardrian
17:10:53 <jamesn> ack lola
17:10:54 <pkra> ack lola
17:11:42 <pkra> lola: for those who don't know me, I'm independent. I was working on standards at beaucoup, incl. aria-at.
17:11:46 <pkra> ... also on TAG.
17:12:00 <pkra> ... this project I've called "accessibility compat data"
17:12:08 <pkra> ... inspired by browser compat project.
17:12:29 <pkra> ... cf. mdn.
17:12:43 <pkra> ... there've been comments asking about this kind of thing.
17:12:59 <pkra> ... there's a11y support, focused on aria attributes
17:13:08 <pkra> ... aria-at is more focused on APG
17:13:46 <jamesn> https://github.com/lolaodelola/accessibility-compat-data/blob/master/proposal.md
17:13:51 <pkra> ... this will be a complicated project. There has been previous work and it will be important to understand what has been done or tried.
17:14:13 <jamesn> https://github.com/lolaodelola/accessibility-compat-data/issues
17:14:25 <pkra> ... the links leads to the repository with detailed readmes, issues and (not yet public) project board.
17:14:40 <pkra> ... this is a long term effort and I hope to get a conversation going.
17:15:01 <pkra> jamesn: this would fit into a plenary session at TPAC.
17:15:28 <pkra> lola: yes. I'm also planning on other workshops to involve people outside of the usual groups.
17:15:57 <pkra> jamesn: great. when do you want do the deep dive?
17:16:17 <pkra> spectranaut_: June 19?
17:16:24 <pkra> lola: sounds good.
17:17:40 <pkra> aardrian: junetheenth?
17:17:43 <pkra> jamesn: then june 12
17:18:03 <pkra> spectranaut_: I'll schedule it.
17:18:39 <aardrian> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/283
17:18:40 <pkra> jamesn: when should do the table deep dive?
17:18:47 <pkra> aardrian: doesn't need as much prep, I think.
17:18:54 <pkra> ... next slot would be fine.
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17:19:30 <pkra> spectranaut_: next week would be an option. I was hoping to do an aria orientation.
17:19:39 <CurtBellew> present+
17:19:40 <pkra> jamesn: ok, then more likely july.
17:19:47 <pkra> aardrian: either is good.
17:20:35 <pkra> spectranaut_: 29th is good.
17:20:39 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:20:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- -> AccName PR Bash https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Aspec%3Aaccname+sort%3Acreated-asc -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:21:09 <pkra> jamesn: 10 open PRs. Can we move some forward?
17:21:25 <pkra> ... first up: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2207
17:21:37 <pkra> ... has 3 approving reviews.
17:22:40 <pkra> ... it's not building?
17:24:28 <pkra> ... is there any objection? It has reviews. It's not normative. There's only an ID change. Are we worried about other places linking here?
17:25:01 <pkra> pkra: is there an official policy? E.g., "create an anchor with id"?
17:25:19 <pkra> jamesn: nothing official, but we'd rather not.
17:25:34 <pkra> melsumner: checks have passed. If something breaks elsewhere, we can fix it.
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17:25:42 <pkra> jamesn: can we file a bug for the follow up?
17:25:49 <pkra> melsumner: will do.
17:25:55 <pkra> jamesn: then let's merge.
17:26:43 <pkra> ... next one: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2209
17:26:52 <pkra> ... this is for aria-actions. So we should probably not merge it?
17:27:38 <pkra> ... maybe move it to aria-action PR.
17:27:49 <pkra> ... next one: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2210
17:28:11 <pkra> ... sorry, https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2209
17:28:34 <pkra> spectranaut_: this is name from heading
17:28:54 <pkra> jamesn: old one had 2 approving review from mel and accdc.
17:28:58 <pkra> spectranaut_: but I never got to it.
17:30:27 <pkra> pkra: I had made a suggestion on the other PR about name-from-heading to move things forward by splitting normative changes.
17:30:46 <smockle> Is this blocked by https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1860?
17:30:54 <pkra> ... this would fit here, too, since it doesn't need implementations as long as we don't specify roles that should have it.
17:31:01 <pkra> ... and maybe those PRs should be combined.
17:31:16 <pkra> scott: right, I never got to merging those. These are older than monorepo.
17:31:26 <pkra> jamesn: how are we on implementations?
17:31:34 <pkra> scott: as far as I know, nothing.
17:31:48 <pkra> spectranaut_: could someone do the work to combine them?
17:32:37 <pkra> clay: you could merge them into each other.
17:33:10 <pkra> spectranaut_: ah, great idea.
17:35:44 <pkra> james: oops, doesn't quite work.
17:36:17 <pkra> pkra: the other one is very old, too. jcraig had commented  that it's difficult to rebase.
17:36:22 <pkra> jamesn: switching back.
17:37:26 <pkra> mel: let's add waiting-for-implementation so we remember?
17:37:28 <pkra> jamesn: sounds good.
17:37:45 <pkra> ... next: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2210
17:37:50 <pkra> ... has sufficient reviewers.
17:38:24 <pkra> ... this probably needs tests?
17:38:43 <pkra> spectranaut_: we should copy the old checklist.
17:39:16 <pkra> ... let's copy the process from the old PR and uncheck (now that we can test accname).
17:39:41 <pkra> jamesn: but it seems to match implementations.
17:39:50 <pkra> ... and maybe there are tests already.
17:40:08 <pkra> pkra: anyone willing to write tests?
17:41:34 <pkra> jane: I will give it a try.
17:41:41 <pkra> spectranaut_: happy to help.
17:42:29 <pkra> jamesn: next: arianotify draft.
17:42:35 <pkra> ... https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2211
17:42:54 <pkra> ... this is accidental.
17:43:33 <pkra> ... next https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2269
17:43:36 <pkra> ... editorial
17:44:29 <pkra> ... seems like we can close this?
17:44:33 <pkra> melsumner: yes.
17:44:44 <pkra> jamesn: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2299
17:45:26 <pkra> ... two positive reviews. jcraig left a comment.
17:46:28 <pkra> aardrian: looks like it needs more edits.
17:47:10 <pkra> melsumner: I'll find time.
17:47:26 <pkra> jamesn: next: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2377
17:48:00 <pkra> ... I don't think I agree.
17:48:16 <pkra> aardrian: bryan point was also a strong one.
17:48:49 <pkra> jamesn: right.
17:49:01 <pkra> aardrian: does the test cited in the issue need an update then?
17:50:31 <pkra> jamesn: looking at the test, I think there's a misunderstanding. The test seems to follow the spec
17:50:45 <pkra> aardrian: that's my impression as well.
17:51:31 <pkra> melsumner: is this one of the issues we grouped in the accname board?
17:51:53 <pkra> jamesn: I don't understand the point the PR is making.
17:52:29 <pkra> spectranaut_: given that Bryan commented as to the misunderstanding, can we close with a comment, with the option of filing an issue?
17:53:06 <pkra> jamesn: will do.
17:53:32 <pkra> ... next: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2419
17:53:48 <pkra> ... we have reviews.
17:54:54 <pkra> pkra: there's a merge conflict. but does it need tests?
17:55:17 <pkra> scott: I think the conflict was with a related PR. I had suggested to merge the two.
17:55:44 <pkra> ... but we merged the other one a few weeks ago.
17:55:52 <pkra> spectranaut_: so it just needs an update from Rahim.
17:58:21 <pkra> jamesn: I'll try it.
18:00:13 <pkra> ... [live hacking]
18:00:18 <pkra> ... shall I merge?
18:00:22 <pkra> everyon: yeah!!!!
18:01:07 <pkra> zakim, end meeting
18:01:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been front-endian-jane, katez, lola, chrishtr, Adam_Page, Daniel, pkra, Francis_Storr, melsumner, StefanS, Siri, CurtBellew
18:01:10 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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18:01:19 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, pkra; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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