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14:56:32 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Meeting: PEWG
14:56:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Chair: Patrick H. Lauke
14:56:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
14:56:48 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ScribeNick: Patrick_H_Lauke
14:56:56 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/66591f6b-6694-4f90-b23d-bf8f1b9dda8a/20250521T110000/
14:56:59 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+
15:02:13 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ smaug
15:02:20 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ mustaq
15:03:01 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ plh
15:03:33 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/445 / https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=label%3Aneeds-wpt+
15:04:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: i have a task to make a list of all new features and their WPTs. i'm also planning to add links in the spec itself in the right places
15:05:04 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: hitting some respec shortcomings, but working around it
15:05:26 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: let me know if this slows you down
15:06:19 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: going through the 2 that we still have marked as needs-wpt:
15:06:21 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/534
15:06:29 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: no progress from me...YET
15:07:05 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: next https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/509
15:07:36 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: there's a comment from me ... somewhere (bugzilla?) where I asked Masayuki to write a test
15:07:43 <smaug> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1965118
15:08:40 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: that's the equivalent on bugzilla .... he's testing all the possible weird cases
15:09:14 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: pointerrawupdate should be shipping in Firefox 140
15:09:36 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: current nightly, so should release in... June?
15:09:47 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: confirming pointerrawupdate is enabled by default
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15:11:20 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: mustaq to address #534, olli to check with masayuki for #509
15:11:56 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Any particular new issues filed? https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues
15:12:10 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: I think Masayuki filed an interesting recent one...
15:14:32 <smaug> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/508#issuecomment-2885610632
15:15:27 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: thats mainly question for you Mustaq. Masayuki changed Firefox behaviour to follow Chrome behaviour...
15:15:57 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: spec/implementation was written more in a mouse-centric view. there is some hack there
15:16:14 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: it's also hacky in Firefox, but yeah there is a compat issue
15:16:24 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: Mustaq to review latest on #508
15:20:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: btw I changed labels in our issue tracker ... what used to be "future" is now "v4" (as the future is now)
15:20:24 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: but we're not committing to doing them of course, we can still kick them into longer grass / close
15:20:47 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: i'd advise not to rush into doing v4 stuff while we're still in CR for v3
15:21:11 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: any other issues? latest from Masayuki seem to be edge cases, but don't think we need to try to sneak them into v3
15:21:35 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: the dragstart one #552 I think is clear, just that it's defined in HTML spec rather than PE
15:21:44 <Patrick_H_Lauke> [discussion on other issues]
15:23:31 <smaug> Just FYI, interop-25 (even though the url has 2023 in it) https://wpt.fyi/results/pointerevents?label=master&label=experimental&aligned&view=interop&q=label%3Ainterop-2023-events
15:25:13 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: TPAC 2025
15:27:26 <smaug> oh, I'll be at https://webengineshackfest.org/ in 2 weeks
15:27:53 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: just mentioning that it looks almost certain that I *will* be physically at TPAC, so worth exploring further if there are any other groups we want to meet with/discuss things (for those coming, I believe Olli is also planning to be there)
15:27:55 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: yes
15:28:39 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: I was thinking for instance Internationalisation and/or CSSWG on the topic of logical values for touch-action - we have my naive draft PR from ages ago, would be good to get feedback from them on whether we're on right track
15:28:47 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ flackr
15:29:18 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: another interesting discussion would also be panning with mouse and how that could be accommodated through touch-action
15:29:26 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: is that in context of CSS-based carousels?
15:29:49 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: not necessarily tied to them, but yes authors will likely want to use that capability in combination with carousels
15:30:42 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: excellent, for next meeting, I'll start jotting down some more fleshed out ideas of which groups we should ask/approach about possible quick meetings while at TPAC. deadline is... 20 June I believe, to let organisers know about group meetings
15:31:27 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: as ever, thank you all - particularly thank you to Philippe for the work on the spec linking to WPTs. catch you next time
15:31:36 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
15:31:42 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:31:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/21-pointerevents-minutes.html Patrick_H_Lauke
15:32:01 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, bye
15:32:01 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2025/05/21-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
15:32:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mustaq to address #534, olli to check with masayuki for #509 [1]
15:32:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2025/05/21-pointerevents-irc#T15-11-20
15:32:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mustaq to review latest on #508 [2]
15:32:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2025/05/21-pointerevents-irc#T15-16-24