12:48:16 RRSAgent has joined #global-inclusion 12:48:21 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/05/21-global-inclusion-irc 12:48:21 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:48:22 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Jan 12:48:28 chair: Jan_McSorley 12:48:50 Meeting: Internationalization Accessibility Community Group Teleconference 12:49:07 21 05 2025 12:49:25 zakim, clear agenda 12:49:25 agenda cleared 12:50:21 Agenda+ Review location of Internationalization Guidance in Page Title Structure Draft. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x0l8JpOxxbksibwfhvMdT11FHAT0SI3S1-_atnZi0RY/edit?tab=t.0) - NOTE: During our last meeting, the group noted that there is a difference between “guidance” and a reminder to “consider” - if there is no reminder to 12:50:21 consider international audiences in the top summary, people may never go to the guidance because in the course of typical design practice, they are already not thinking about internationalization. 12:50:44 Agenda+ Review Len's work on a new International Persona. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LQAJEeqihIhllHasl1FGQ9XOzBwmnRUvBAQIgaXJRn0/edit?usp=sharing) 12:58:20 present+ 13:01:29 andy has joined #global-inclusion 13:01:37 present+ 13:02:22 Philipp has joined #global-inclusion 13:03:10 present + 13:04:59 present+ 13:05:14 JStro has joined #global-inclusion 13:05:24 present+ 13:05:30 zakim, next item 13:05:30 agendum 1 -- Review location of Internationalization Guidance in Page Title Structure Draft. 13:05:32 ... (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x0l8JpOxxbksibwfhvMdT11FHAT0SI3S1-_atnZi0RY/edit?tab=t.0) - NOTE: During our last meeting, the group noted that there is a difference 13:05:32 ... between “guidance” and a reminder to “consider” - if there is no reminder to -- taken up [from Jan] 13:22:23 Philipp has joined #global-inclusion 13:24:52 As a suggestion, for an intro sentence, if I10N ç is given* 13:24:52 "In addition, please also consider (or check or read) guidance for international audiences." 13:35:56 Make the Section More Visible: 13:35:56 The current content about international audiences feels too hidden. Consider elevating its visibility by making it an H2 heading. 13:35:56 Add a Brief Note to the Introduction: 13:35:56 Even if the full section can’t be moved, include a short sentence in the Introduction to prompt consideration of international audiences. Example: 13:35:58 “In addition, please review considerations for international audiences.” 13:35:58 Clarify the Purpose: 13:35:58 There's a meaningful difference between providing detailed “guidance” and simply reminding people to “consider” something. In this case, a reminder may be all that's needed—just like in Making Content Usable, section 3.3.1, where users are prompted to think about clear language even without specific steps. 13:35:59 Improve the Section Title: 13:35:59 The title “Considerations for International Audiences” may be unclear or too indirect. Suggested alternatives: 13:35:59 “For International Audiences” 13:36:00 “Including International Audiences” 13:36:27 zakim, next item 13:36:27 agendum 2 -- Review Len's work on a new International Persona. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LQAJEeqihIhllHasl1FGQ9XOzBwmnRUvBAQIgaXJRn0/edit?usp=sharing) -- taken up [from 13:36:27 ... Jan] 13:46:33 I’m not sure if helpful for us but there may be some nuggets in here it is for schools & students though):I’m not sure if helpful for us, from Office of Multilingual Lerners . https://infohub.nyced.org/docs/default-source/default-document-library/ell-policy-and-reference-guide.pdf 14:00:44 Philipp: would like to consider having more than 1 persona. Could we consider having one that is nonbinary who has a cognitive or mental health issue based on how society treats them. 14:00:57 Andy: Maybe have this be a child of immigrants? 14:01:37 John: There's an anxiety of speaking in your nonnative language - that creates anxiety and that anxiety increases cognitive load, which then increases anxiety. 14:04:23 The group made some comments and suggested edits in a copy of the persona here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LQAJEeqihIhllHasl1FGQ9XOzBwmnRUvBAQIgaXJRn0/edit?usp=sharing 14:05:00 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:05:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/21-global-inclusion-minutes.html Jan 14:05:17 zakim, end meeting 14:05:17 As of this point the attendees have been Jan, andy, kirkwood, JStro 14:05:18 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:05:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/21-global-inclusion-minutes.html Zakim 14:05:24 I am happy to have been of service, Jan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 14:05:27 Zakim has left #global-inclusion 14:05:38 rrsagent, bye 14:05:38 I see no action items