00:06:46 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 01:12:19 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 02:04:54 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 02:38:54 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 02:46:51 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 03:27:16 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 03:53:28 kaz has joined #wot-td 04:00:29 kaz has joined #wot-td 04:01:19 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 04:11:53 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 04:12:19 EgeKorka_ has joined #wot-td 04:18:06 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 04:39:22 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 04:45:47 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 05:07:10 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 05:25:14 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 05:43:40 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 06:02:28 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 06:32:02 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 08:14:56 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 08:15:21 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 08:17:55 EgeKorka_ has joined #wot-td 08:18:55 EgeKork__ has joined #wot-td 10:16:01 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 10:19:14 EgeKorka_ has joined #wot-td 10:20:16 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 10:28:07 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 10:44:46 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 11:13:04 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 12:40:54 ktoumura has joined #wot-td 12:56:21 rrsagent, bye 12:56:21 I see no action items 12:56:27 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 12:56:27 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-irc 12:56:39 meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2 12:56:46 rrsagent, make log public 12:56:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:56:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 12:57:06 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#May_14-15%2C_2025 12:57:56 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 12:58:05 chair: Ege, Koster 13:02:33 present+ Michael_Koster, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura 13:02:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:02:52 mjk has joined #wot-td 13:05:08 Mizushima has joined #wot-td 13:06:23 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:06:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:10:54 dape has joined #wot-td 13:13:02 present+ Daniel_Peintner 13:13:47 scribenick: mjk 13:14:36 Topic: minutes review 13:15:18 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/04/24-wot-td-minutes.html Apr-24 13:15:25 s/minutes/Minutes/ 13:15:26 ege: any remarks? 13:15:37 ... minutes approved 13:15:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:15:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:16:21 topic: PR #4, Terminology Improvements 13:17:00 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates-registry/pull/4 Binding Registry PR 4 - Terminology Improvements 13:17:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:17:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:17:14 ... updated from yesterday's discussion 13:17:49 q? 13:17:50 q+ 13:18:02 ... is it OK to merge? 13:18:10 q- 13:18:38 kaz: is this mostly editorial? 13:18:54 ege: yes, it's editorial 13:19:07 ... no objections, merged PR 13:19:22 q+ 13:19:41 topic: new issue to create the editor draft with the changed name 13:19:53 q- 13:20:05 kaz: we should coordinate this with the main group 13:20:54 crist has joined #wot-td 13:21:46 topic: PR #2097 Analysis Document template 13:21:55 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 13:22:33 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2097 TD PR 2097 - Analysis Document Template 13:22:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:22:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:23:01 s/new issue to/New issue to/ 13:23:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:23:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:23:09 ege: for capturing user stories etc. 13:24:36 ege: (shows example documents) 13:24:47 ... any comments? 13:25:15 ... no comments. merged 13:25:39 topic: Next work item 13:26:01 ege: the discussion overlaps with the use case discussion 13:26:55 q+ 13:27:00 ... Is the difference between use cases and user stories clear to everyone? 13:27:55 kaz: please remember that the main purpose is to provicde the background for each feature, required by the W3C process 13:28:15 s/provicde/provide 13:28:28 ege: any other input? 13:28:31 q- 13:29:24 ege: for now we need a small set of use cases for the TD document 13:29:54 q+ 13:30:06 ... what are some use cases? 13:30:42 kaz: maybe we will review what is written so far 13:31:06 ege: yes, but for now what is the high level use case for TD? 13:31:27 kaz: can we start with TD use cases that are already documented? 13:31:57 s/documented/documented on the wot-thing-description repository/ 13:32:13 ege: for example, the high level use for TD at Siemens is for onboarding devices automatically 13:32:34 q+ 13:32:38 q- 13:32:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:32:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:33:05 s/Next work item/Next work items/ 13:33:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:33:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:33:25 ege: for example there is a feature requirement for Modbus to provide the polling interval 13:33:46 s/for example/for example,/ 13:33:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:33:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:35:09 scribe+ 13:35:34 mjk: should clarify the terms, "Use Case" and "User Story", a bit more here 13:35:58 ek: (adds "Definitions" to the TD agenda wiki) 13:36:40 q+ 13:36:57 ack m 13:36:58 ack k 13:36:59 ack mjk 13:37:33 kaz: would suggest we create a quick Issue for the definition on the wot-thing-description repo as usual :) 13:37:43 ek: (creates a GitHub Issue instead) 13:37:57 mjk: use cases could be defined for features without worrying too much about broad use case categories 13:38:15 s/use cases/user stories 13:38:32 i|could be de|scribenick: mjk| 13:38:37 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:38:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:39:20 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2098 TD Issue 2098 - Use Case vs User Story Discussion 13:39:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:39:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:42:19 q+ 13:43:39 q+ 13:44:27 ege: what are some high level use cases we can list now? 13:44:55 ack c 13:44:56 cris: human readability, managing device inventory 13:45:14 q? 13:46:06 kaz: we should think about several levels of users, for example developers vs. end users 13:46:47 q? 13:47:17 ege: for example, some users need JSON documents 13:47:41 q- 13:47:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:47:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:49:05 ege: does anyone have a topic to discuss? 13:49:46 i|the discussion over|subtopic: Use Case process| 13:49:53 subtopic: Data Mapping 13:50:23 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/planning/work-items/analysis/analysis-data-mapping.md Data Mapping Analysis 13:50:25 subtopic: Data Mapping 13:50:30 s/subtopic: Data Mapping/ 13:50:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:50:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:50:49 ege: who would be motivated to work on these documents? 13:51:16 ... Data Mapping and Manageable Affordances 13:51:28 ... we need to start with user stories 13:51:38 q+ 13:51:55 q+ 13:52:20 ack mjk 13:52:46 mjk: we might need to get a larger audience to ask for volunteers 13:52:56 cris: I can help in some way 13:53:45 ege: are you interested more in one feature? 13:53:46 q+ 13:53:55 ack c 13:53:58 cris: Manageable Affordances 13:54:09 ack d 13:54:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:54:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:54:19 dape: I would be more interested in the Data Mapping feature 13:54:49 ege: a concrete task could be to review the issues and write up user stories 13:56:36 ege: (updates issue #2094 Data Mapping analysis) 13:56:37 i|I would|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/planning/work-items/analysis/analysis-manageable-affordances.md Manageable Affordances Analysis 13:56:48 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/planning/work-items/analysis/analysis-data-mapping.md Data Mapping Analysis 13:56:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:56:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:57:19 s/subtopic: Data Mapping/subtopic: Data Mapping and Manageable Affordance/ 13:57:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:57:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:57:30 ... (assign to dape) We can ask Luca to sign up also 13:57:50 s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/planning/work-items/analysis/analysis-data-mapping.md Data Mapping Analysis|| 13:58:04 i|a concrete|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/planning/work-items/analysis/analysis-data-mapping.md Data Mapping Analysis| 13:58:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:58:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:58:23 ege: (creates issue for analysis of Manageable Affordance item) 13:59:06 ... #2099, assign ege and cris 13:59:13 i|creates|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2094 TD Issue 2094 - Collecting Analysis on Data Mapping| 13:59:29 AOB? 13:59:43 s/AOB/ege: AOB 13:59:46 i|AOB|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2099 TD Issue 2099 - Collecting Input for the Manageable Affordances Analysis| 13:59:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:59:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:59:56 ... adjourned 14:00:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:00:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:10:39 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 14:15:39 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 15:55:08 Zakim has left #wot-td 16:43:34 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 18:12:00 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 18:59:31 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 19:12:51 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 19:17:52 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 19:39:07 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 20:15:41 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 20:34:10 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 20:40:30 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 20:41:52 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 21:58:37 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 22:03:24 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 22:20:04 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 22:54:47 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 23:11:57 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 23:17:24 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 23:39:12 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 23:44:34 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td