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16:54:38 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA WG
16:54:39 <jamesn> agendabot, find agenda
16:54:39 <agendabot> jamesn, OK. This may take a minute...
16:54:40 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/5a155237-d896-464b-9c5f-6dd1654293ae/20250515T130000/
16:54:40 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:54:40 <agendabot> agenda+ -> New Issue Triage https://tinyurl.com/mphz939e
16:54:40 <agendabot> agenda+ -> New PR Triage https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+created%3A%3E%3D2025-05-08+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria&type=Issues
16:54:43 <agendabot> agenda+ -> WPT Open PRs https://bit.ly/wpt_a11y
16:54:45 <agendabot> agenda+ -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates
16:54:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Cancelled June 5th Meeting
16:54:51 <agendabot> agenda+ -> Need a means of suppressing speech output during focus transitions within a SPA https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2525
16:54:54 <agendabot> agenda+ -> Update: fix inconsistency around aria-setsize=-1 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2341
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16:56:08 <spectranaut_> agenda?
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16:58:11 <spectranaut_> Zakim, item+ Brainstorm:  prioritizing work of the ARIA WG and how to make the most use of meetings
16:58:11 <Zakim> I don't understand you, spectranaut_
16:58:29 <spectranaut_> Zakim, item+ Brainstorm  prioritizing work of the ARIA WG and how to make the most use of meetings
16:58:29 <Zakim> I don't understand you, spectranaut_
16:59:31 <spectranaut_> agenda+ Prioritizing work of the ARIA WG and how to make the most use of meetings
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17:02:51 <Adam_Page> scribe: Adam_Page
17:02:56 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:02:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- -> New Issue Triage https://tinyurl.com/mphz939e -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:02:58 <filippo-zorzi> present+
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17:03:47 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: core-aam#249
17:03:49 <Adam_Page> present+
17:04:09 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: this issue is about how Webkit does something differently than other browsers with aria-level="0"
17:04:12 <Adam_Page> ... I’ll assign to myself
17:04:35 <Adam_Page> ... and might agenda it if we need to talk about it
17:04:38 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: aria#2529
17:04:53 <Adam_Page> ... scott opened a PR, so we can talk about it then
17:04:57 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:04:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- -> New PR Triage https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+created%3A%3E%3D2025-05-08+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria&type=Issues -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:05:19 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: aria#2533
17:05:32 <Adam_Page> ... to update role="scrollbar" AXAPI platform mappings
17:05:45 <Adam_Page> ... we need to confirm whether this has been implemented
17:05:45 <Adam_Page> ... and land this PR
17:05:47 <Adam_Page> ... just representing reality
17:06:07 <Adam_Page> ... I’ll also assign myself to this one
17:06:18 <Adam_Page> ... probably don’t need more than 1 reviewer for this kind of PR
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17:06:35 <Adam_Page> jamesn: agreed
17:06:43 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: aria#2532
17:06:48 <Adam_Page> ... editorial
17:07:01 <Adam_Page> jamesn: I’ll review this one
17:07:11 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: aria#2531
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17:07:18 <Adam_Page> ... talked about in editors meeting
17:07:21 <ChrisCuellar> present+
17:07:25 <Adam_Page> ... pkra has a way forward
17:07:38 <Siri> present+
17:07:38 <Adam_Page> ... will talk about when it‘s ready for review
17:07:40 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: aria#2530
17:07:56 <Adam_Page> ... closing #2529 which scott opened
17:08:15 <Adam_Page> ... clarifies that placeholder takes priority over aria-placeholder
17:08:39 <Adam_Page> scott: Giacomo noticed the lack of clarity in a WPT test
17:08:53 <Adam_Page> ... it just calls out “the placeholder” but doesn’t disambiguate
17:09:41 <Adam_Page> ... it’s worth noting that in current reality the placeholder wins out over its ARIA counterpart, which is the opposite of many other ARIA attributes
17:10:10 <Adam_Page> ... so the PR makes that abundantly clear
17:10:12 <jamesn> q+
17:10:59 <Adam_Page> BryanGaraventa: would this cause confusion?
17:11:23 <Adam_Page> scott: yes, there’s risk of that, and that’s why we explicitly call it out in this change
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17:12:59 <Adam_Page> JaneFulton: perhaps the ARIA spec may need to explain the rationale for when/why ARIA features win out over native features or vice versa
17:13:30 <melsumner> q+ to say that I thought HTML won unless it was related to AccName so I might need to study more.
17:13:39 <spectranaut_> q+ spectranaut_
17:13:48 <Adam_Page> scott: checkbox is another element where the native checked attribute wins out over ARIA; ARIA just lets us “say” that something else is true
17:14:17 <jamesn> Therefore, to prevent providing conflicting states and properties to assistive technologies, host languages MUST explicitly declare where the use of WAI-ARIA attributes on each host language element conflicts with native features for that element. When a host language declares a WAI-ARIA attribute to be in direct semantic conflict with a native feature for a given element, user agents MUST ignore the WAI-ARIA attribute and instead use the
17:14:17 <jamesn> host language feature with the same implicit semantic
17:14:19 <Adam_Page> jamesn: the ones that can’t be overridden, HTML should specify, otherwise the ARIA feature should win
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17:15:03 <Adam_Page> ... do we think that this is the correct behavior?
17:15:12 <Adam_Page> ... are there scenarios where we might want a different placeholder for assistive tech?
17:15:19 <Adam_Page> ... if this isn’t allowed are we shutting out a real use case?
17:15:29 <Adam_Page> ... placeholders aren’t normally super critical to any functionality
17:16:34 <Adam_Page> JaneFulton: a phone number field is one example where the format is shown in a placeholder; maybe it’d be helpful to give AT an alternative placeholder
17:16:46 <Adam_Page> jamesn: and the format is probably useful to AT
17:17:10 <spectranaut_> ack jamesn
17:17:19 <Adam_Page> scott: if we do want to change this behavior, we’ll need to change in all browsers
17:17:27 <melsumner> q-
17:17:29 <Adam_Page> ... because all browsers match what this PR says
17:17:48 <jamesn> q+ to state that I'm happy to document reality in that case
17:17:48 <spectranaut_> ack spectranaut_
17:18:05 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: yes, this PR represents reality
17:18:10 <Adam_Page> ... there’s no implementation
17:18:18 <Adam_Page> ... so if we want to propose a change, that would be a much longer process
17:18:24 <melsumner> Why was this implemented if not defined in spec?
17:18:35 <Adam_Page> ... for now, we should just merge this to make the spec accurate and clear
17:18:35 <Adam_Page> ... and if someone wants to advocate for a change, then it can follow on
17:18:44 <Adam_Page> scott: agreed
17:18:52 <spectranaut_> ack spectranaut_
17:19:08 <jamesn> ack me
17:19:08 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to state that I'm happy to document reality in that case
17:19:16 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: for this PR, we’ve got 2 reviewers, can we get one more?
17:19:22 <Adam_Page> JaneFulton: I’ll review
17:20:14 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:20:15 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- -> WPT Open PRs https://bit.ly/wpt_a11y -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:20:50 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: scott, you opened wpt#52480
17:20:55 <Adam_Page> scott: this is old
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17:21:04 <Adam_Page> ... the original issue is from 2022 or 2021
17:21:20 <Adam_Page> ... because there was talk in HTML about how people should not need to set src attribute if they’re using srcset instead
17:21:38 <Adam_Page> ... in recent testing, most of the WPTs are passing
17:21:43 <Adam_Page> ... I created a ton of variations
17:21:54 <jamesn> q+
17:21:55 <Adam_Page> ... so this would be great to get reviews
17:23:05 <Adam_Page> jamesn: looking at it now, I see duplicate srcset attributes — lines 48–58
17:24:08 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:24:08 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Adam_Page
17:24:13 <Adam_Page> ack jamesn
17:24:14 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:24:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:24:19 <jamesn> q-
17:24:35 <Adam_Page> zakim, close this item
17:24:35 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:24:35 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
17:24:36 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:24:36 <Zakim> 5. Cancelled June 5th Meeting [from agendabot]
17:24:36 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Cancelled June 5th Meeting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:25:12 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: just a quick PSA that the next 2 meetings are happening, then June 5 is canceled
17:25:13 <Adam_Page>  zakim, close this item
17:25:13 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
17:25:14 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:25:14 <Zakim> 6. -> Need a means of suppressing speech output during focus transitions within a SPA https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2525 [from agendabot]
17:25:18 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:25:18 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- -> Need a means of suppressing speech output during focus transitions within a SPA https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2525 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:25:20 <scott> i think i removed all the dupe srcset attributes.  thanks james
17:25:36 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: this issue was opened last week
17:25:55 <Adam_Page> ... need a means of suppressing speech output during focus transition within an SPA
17:26:06 <Adam_Page> ... can anyone summarize the issue or open questions?
17:26:48 <scott> q+
17:27:03 <Adam_Page> melsumner: I’d expect a screen reader user to be comfortable aborting the output when they want (e.g., press Ctrl)
17:27:16 <Adam_Page> ... we do solve for this in the JS framework I work in
17:27:40 <Adam_Page> ... but I agree with Dominic that implementation of the navigation API is the current correct answer; not something with ARIA
17:28:00 <spectranaut_> ack scott
17:28:35 <Adam_Page> scott: they brought up a very reasonable use case of Slack and other web apps that do have these transitions
17:28:35 <Adam_Page> ... where it’s not desirable to have constant loading messages being announced
17:28:52 <Adam_Page> ... I get that, but — like melsumner said — people can stop those announcements
17:29:16 <Adam_Page> ... and I suspect many users would rather those announcements be present
17:29:57 <Adam_Page> ... if a transition is too long (e.g., 5 seconds, even less), then it’s definitely sensible to still have a loading announcement
17:30:35 <Adam_Page> ... and there are already solutions for this, like the navigation API, but I don’t think ARIA should be doing anything with this
17:30:59 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: if anyone agrees with the OP’s request, please feel free to weigh in — otherwise, we’ll mark this as “won’t fix” for now
17:31:19 <Adam_Page> ... okay, I’ll write a summary in this issue and close it out
17:31:22 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:31:22 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- -> Update: fix inconsistency around aria-setsize=-1 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2341 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:31:40 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: this is Rahim‘s
17:31:56 <Adam_Page> ... this has 3 approving reviews
17:32:02 <Adam_Page> ... so we can talk about whether to merge it
17:32:15 <Adam_Page> ... it’s also waiting for implementation
17:32:34 <Adam_Page> ... do we know whether Webkit is the only one that needs to change?
17:32:37 <Adam_Page> scott: not sure
17:33:16 <Adam_Page> ... there’s no way to make a WPT to test this
17:33:50 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: would anyone be willing to confirm the behavior of browsers and determine which one(s) needs to be updated to match this proposed spec change
17:34:08 <Adam_Page> ... it would need to be someone by who can check a11y API or use a screen reader to confirm
17:34:16 <Adam_Page> scott: should be able to determine with just screen reader
17:35:53 <Adam_Page> scott: the ideal behavior, talking to JAWS/NVDA, would be an announcement of “X of nothing” or “X of indeterminate”, when it currently says “X of 12” (when only 12 are shown on the screen, but more are asynchronously loaded)
17:37:02 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:37:02 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Prioritizing work of the ARIA WG and how to make the most use of meetings -- taken up [from spectranaut_]
17:38:04 <melsumner> TY for calling that out, it's a good reminder.
17:38:09 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: feedback is welcome
17:38:16 <Adam_Page> ... if you think the ARIA WG could work more efficiently
17:38:36 <Adam_Page> ... if you’re joining meetings but don’t contribute because of a blocker, I’d like to hear about that
17:38:39 <Adam_Page> ... and get people more involved
17:38:41 <Adam_Page> ... very broad topic
17:38:48 <Adam_Page> ... if you have thoughts now, would love to hear them
17:38:58 <Adam_Page> ... but I also hope to continue working on this over the next few weeks
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17:39:11 <Adam_Page> ... maybe we could do some kind of prioritization of open PRs
17:39:28 <lola> q+
17:39:37 <spectranaut_> ack lola
17:39:52 <Adam_Page> lola: this is more of a process thing, and each WG does things differently
17:40:07 <Adam_Page> ... it’s unclear to me personally how things that *are not PRs* get added to the agenda
17:40:12 <Adam_Page> ... do we submit an issue?
17:40:20 <Adam_Page> ... do we contact spectranaut_ or jamesn privately?
17:40:35 <Adam_Page> ... also, what constitutes a deep dive topic
17:40:38 <Adam_Page> ... triage is important and helpful
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17:40:47 <Adam_Page> ... but what about ideas/issues that fall outside triage?
17:41:00 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: the process for agenda’ing — any WG can add the “agenda” tag to an issue
17:41:05 <Adam_Page> ... so that’s how things get on the agenda
17:41:20 <Adam_Page> ... for new members, we sometimes hold orientation
17:41:34 <Adam_Page> ... it’s been a while
17:41:42 <Adam_Page> q+
17:41:49 <scott> q+
17:42:00 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: there’s a documentation folder in GitHub
17:42:35 <Adam_Page> ... anyone who’s not had an orientation, please speak up
17:42:41 <ChrisCuellar> q+
17:42:53 <spectranaut_> ack Adam_Page
17:43:17 <spectranaut_> Adam_Page: one thing I've noticed for issue and Pr review, and for a little while we were looking at stale issues, sort the issues in reverse
17:43:32 <spectranaut_> Adam_Page: this is a sweet spot in the middle, things that have changed recently, a burst of activity
17:43:40 <jamesn> q++
17:43:51 <spectranaut_> Adam_Page: I try to reach out to people, but maybe there is something structural in the process to surface thoses
17:44:27 <smockle> q+ to ask about regrets (especially weeks ahead), choosing a scribe (zakim pick a victim?), pace of assigned work, focusing on unblocking big efforts
17:44:42 <jamesn> q-+
17:44:45 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: people can always add “agenda” to resurface things
17:44:50 <spectranaut_> ack scott
17:44:57 <Adam_Page> scott: spitball idea
17:45:38 <Adam_Page> ... as one way to stabilize people’s opportunity to talk, and to prevent new things from taking up too much agenda time...
17:45:59 <Adam_Page> ... maybe we don’t necessarily agenda+ every issue that comes through triage
17:46:35 <Adam_Page> ... maybe we leave it up to individuals here to take assignment of the issue, and then they can agenda it if they want
17:46:46 <spectranaut_> q+ spectranaut_ to talk about prioritization labels
17:46:54 <spectranaut_> q+ ChrisCuellar
17:46:54 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: awesome — noted, thank you
17:46:58 <Adam_Page> ChrisCuellar: +1 to scott
17:47:00 <spectranaut_> ack ChrisCuellar
17:47:29 <Adam_Page> ... in terms of facilitation, people have the most energy at the start of a meeting
17:47:40 <Adam_Page> ... and issue triage can sap that energy
17:48:19 <Adam_Page> ... it can be harder for newcomers to understand what’s happening when the first thing in the meeting is triage
17:48:19 <jamesn> q+ to suggest not triaging every week
17:48:35 <Adam_Page> ... so I like the idea of starting with PRs
17:49:12 <Adam_Page> ... the co-chairs could be more free to prioritize things
17:49:16 <spectranaut_> ack smockle
17:49:16 <Zakim> smockle, you wanted to ask about regrets (especially weeks ahead), choosing a scribe (zakim pick a victim?), pace of assigned work, focusing on unblocking big efforts
17:49:16 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: thank you
17:49:25 <Adam_Page> smockle: a few topics going back
17:49:36 <Adam_Page> ... I did do an orientation
17:49:39 <Adam_Page> ... and now I have new questions
17:49:58 <Adam_Page> ... for example, I wanted to send regrets while on vacation, but didn’t know how to do it, or whether it matters
17:50:08 <Adam_Page> ... don’t know the right venue
17:50:12 <Adam_Page> q+
17:50:14 <jamesn> q+ to talk about regrets
17:50:20 <Francis_Storr> Jane, in Zoom, asked to be added to the queue.
17:50:33 <jamesn> q+ Jane
17:50:35 <Adam_Page> smockle: we could also zakim pick a victim to encourage more diverse scribing
17:51:00 <melsumner> I feel like it takes about 15 seconds for someone to volunteer for scribe, it's just mostly silence so it feels longer. :shrug:
17:51:14 <Adam_Page> ... I also have a backlog of issue across repos and have a hard time juggling that and being willing to take on new work
17:51:26 <scott> q+
17:51:29 <Adam_Page> ... makes it tough for me to feel engaged in new work
17:51:51 <Adam_Page> ... would also love to get a big picture sense of “what’s in flight”
17:51:57 <Adam_Page> ... TPAC did help a lot with that
17:52:02 <Adam_Page> ... but bring that throughout the year
17:52:09 <spectranaut_> ack spectranaut_
17:52:09 <Zakim> spectranaut_, you wanted to talk about prioritization labels
17:52:14 <jamesn> ack me
17:52:14 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to suggest not triaging every week and to talk about regrets
17:52:35 <Adam_Page> jamesn: maybe we could try not triaging every week
17:52:48 <Adam_Page> ... or just triage critical issues as they arise
17:52:57 <Adam_Page> ... for regrets
17:53:04 <Adam_Page> ... we appreciate them, but don’t track them
17:53:09 <Adam_Page> ... so don’t feel bad about not sending them
17:53:27 <Adam_Page> ... if you see the agenda and really want to participate but know you can’t attend, that’s especially when regrets are helpful
17:53:42 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: and when you’re on vacation, we can often see that or deduce it
17:53:50 <spectranaut_> q?
17:54:06 <spectranaut_> Adam_Page: +1 clay saying I don't know the right venue for questions
17:54:22 <spectranaut_> Adam_Page: I miss that we don't have a conical real time chat somewhere.. is it IRC or chat?
17:54:43 <spectranaut_> spectranaut_: formalize the slack?
17:55:34 <cyns> can someone drop a link to the slack?
17:55:36 <lola> q+
17:55:45 <spectranaut_> ack Adam_Page
17:55:46 <lola> q-
17:57:27 <spectranaut_> ack jamesn
17:57:30 <spectranaut_> ack Jane
17:57:44 <Adam_Page> JaneFulton: reiterate that it would be nice to not have to get to everything in one meeting
17:57:49 <Adam_Page> ... spread it out a bit more
17:57:57 <Adam_Page> ... sometimes discussions will get rushed
17:58:12 <Adam_Page> ... helpful for newcomers to hear some conversations again
17:58:39 <Adam_Page> ... having Slack and realtime chat is great, but need to accommodate people who can’t be available, or are in different time zones, etc.
17:58:45 <cyns> q+
17:58:57 <melsumner> If anyone can figure out how to do keep meaningful track of conversations about topics, especially those with a long history....that would be nice.
17:58:58 <Adam_Page> ... putting guardrails into that so that essential information is only captured there
17:59:05 <spectranaut_> ack scott
17:59:17 <Adam_Page> s/is only/isn’t only/
17:59:36 <Adam_Page> scott: +1 to jamesn: maybe just 1 triage meeting a month
18:00:27 <spectranaut_> ack cyns
18:00:35 <Adam_Page> ... Francis_Storr and I are part of the WCAG WG and we have a weekly check-in to determine issues that need to move to the next stage
18:00:51 <Adam_Page> Francis_Storr: the backlog that we have every Friday is super useful
18:01:03 <Adam_Page> ... we use a big kanban board, and I think that could work well here
18:01:10 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: please do share that with us
18:01:20 <Adam_Page> cyns: why don’t we use IRC?
18:01:22 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: cultural
18:01:26 <Adam_Page> ... some people are used to it
18:01:43 <Francis_Storr> AGWG backlog taskforce board: https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/56
18:02:00 <Adam_Page> zakim, end meeting
18:02:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been filippo-zorzi, katez, melsumner, Francis_Storr, CurtBellew, Adam_Page, ChrisCuellar, Siri
18:02:02 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
18:02:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/15-aria-minutes.html Zakim
18:02:11 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Adam_Page; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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