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08:59:46 <kaz> meeting: WoT Scripting API
09:02:13 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Scripting_API_WebConf#May_14%2C_2025
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09:03:18 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi
09:03:23 <kaz> chair: Cristiano
09:05:58 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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09:08:54 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
09:09:11 <dape> scribe: dape
09:09:32 <dape> TOPIC: Previous minutes
09:09:45 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-script-minutes.html Mar-5
09:10:04 <dape> CA: Found minor typo
09:10:04 <kaz> q+
09:11:05 <dape> Kaz: fixing
09:11:13 <kaz> ack k
09:11:14 <dape> CA: I think we can approve the minutes
09:11:18 <dape> ... minutes are approved
09:11:26 <dape> TOPIC: PRs
09:11:39 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR 561
09:11:44 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/561
09:11:58 <dape> CA: I think the interface looks good
09:12:10 <dape> ... and can start changing the prose
09:12:45 <dape> ... new shape
09:13:01 <kaz> s/fixing/fixed/
09:13:01 <dape> ... ActionInteractionOutput
09:13:09 <dape> ... 2 new functions
09:13:19 <dape> ... cancel and query
09:13:39 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/561|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/561 PR 561 - Extended return type of invokeAction()|
09:13:43 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
09:13:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:13:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
09:13:57 <dape> ... we cannot do everything right now.. need to wait for TD to improrve
09:14:11 <dape> ... async vs sync actions
09:14:20 <dape> CA: What should we do if not async
09:14:39 <cris> scribenick: cris
09:14:52 <cris> dape: we can have two options: throw or no-op
09:14:55 <dape> DP: 2 options
09:15:03 <dape> ... throwing or no-op
09:15:17 <dape> ... I tend to throw
09:15:32 <dape> CA: cancel is easy.. void function
09:16:14 <dape> ... query more difficult.. need to decide what to return
09:17:29 <dape> ... opened issue on TD side... issue 2068
09:18:30 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2068 related TD Issue 2068 - Specify the result of queryaction operation
09:19:40 <dape> DP: wonder the pros and cons?
09:20:05 <dape> CA: No async term in TD possible
09:22:49 <dape> DP: sync could return the previously reported value and cancel a no-op
09:22:56 <dape> CA: requires buffering
09:23:12 <dape> ... plus it could be a different value for query
09:25:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:25:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
09:26:21 <kaz> q+
09:26:33 <dape> <Cristiano noting down the discussion in the PR>
09:27:10 <dape> DP: Could also check whether in the Web space there are such cases already...
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09:28:15 <zkis> present+ Zoltan_Kis
09:28:15 <dape> Kaz: Technically, we can summarize our questions in more details
09:28:24 <dape> ... and ask TAG for feedback
09:28:38 <dape> CA: Makes sense, thanks!
09:29:09 <kaz> i/2 options/scribenick: dape/
09:29:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:29:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
09:29:22 <kaz> ack k
09:30:07 <dape> ZK: Up to the underlying platform...
09:30:16 <dape> ... we should avoid giving no details
09:30:25 <dape> ... we should be transparent
09:31:28 <dape> ... failing is the better approach
09:32:14 <dape> CA: Corner cases in TD not specifying terms
09:32:36 <dape> ZK: I can get errors in Promise if there are problems anyway
09:33:08 <dape> DP: Can try to integrate the discussions..
09:33:18 <dape> TOPIC: Issues
09:33:53 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Issue 571 - Sync schemas is now outdated
09:33:57 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/571
09:34:31 <dape> CA: At the moment sync is not working anymore
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09:35:17 <dape> ... moreover GitHub stops action after some time
09:35:30 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/571|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/571 Issue 571 - Sync schemas is now outdated|
09:35:32 <dape> ... I will update the action
09:35:59 <dape> .... plan to just update the reference,  https://github.com/w3c/wot-resources
09:36:07 <kaz> q+
09:36:43 <dape> Kaz: I am okay with the resolution
09:36:57 <dape> ... should use a specific label
09:37:09 <dape> ... like "GitHub" or so
09:38:58 <kaz> s/"GitHub"/"Logistics", "GitHub problem"/
09:39:00 <dape> s/"GitHub"/"logistics"
09:39:50 <dape> q+
09:39:54 <kaz> q-
09:40:49 <dape> DP: wot-resources is the final TD .. while we used the "live" version of the JSON schema
09:40:52 <dape> CA: Correct
09:41:03 <dape> ... should try to use the final version
09:41:17 <dape> ... and align it as much as we can
09:41:36 <dape> ... in the TD 2.0 work we might need to update the resources
09:41:52 <dape> q?
09:41:54 <dape> ack dape
09:42:49 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Issue 570 - Looking into Deno
09:42:53 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/570
09:43:01 <dape> CA: Reminder from main call
09:43:24 <dape> ... what do we want to do?
09:44:15 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/570|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/570 Issue 570 - Looking into Deno|
09:44:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:44:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
09:44:27 <dape> DP: Recalling Luca mentioning it was not working at that time
09:44:29 <dape> CA: Yes, tried together with Luca
09:45:00 <dape> ... we should give it a try with node-wot
09:45:23 <dape> ... closing the issue in Scripting?
09:47:11 <dape> ... BTW we have Bun  as runtime also
09:49:16 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Issue 569 - Subscription stop misses InteractionInput
09:49:19 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/569
09:49:57 <dape> CA: TD misses the payload information
09:50:07 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/569|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/569 Issue 569 - Subscription stop misses InteractionInput ?|
09:50:45 <dape> CA: Do we need optional InteractionInput ?
09:51:38 <dape> DP: second optional parameter?
09:51:51 <dape> CA: Yes, but the pattern is used often enough
09:52:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:53:11 <dape> DP: issue with existing parameter... creates issue with backwards compatibility .. if we put it as first parameter
09:53:22 <dape> CA: Yes...
09:55:05 <dape> ... or break compatibility since we are still in the explorative version
09:56:33 <dape> CA: let's wait for feedback from others
09:56:57 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Issue 539 - ObserveProperty with uri vars
09:57:01 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/539
09:57:13 <dape> CA: This is a plain bug
09:57:48 <dape> ... same event with parameter
09:58:27 <dape> ... instead of 1 listener per event we should have 1 listener per event&uriParameter
09:58:50 <dape> ZK: Should be an option
09:59:27 <dape> ... why the constraint to have at most one listener at all
09:59:57 <dape> q+
10:00:39 <dape> CA: Good point
10:01:04 <dape> ... map to allow multiple subscriptions?
10:01:41 <dape> ZK: Instead of single slot we would (should?) have a list or map
10:03:44 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/539|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/539 Issue 539 - ObserveProperty with uri vars|
10:03:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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10:03:54 <kaz> q+
10:06:02 <kaz> ack d
10:06:04 <kaz> ack k
10:06:13 <dape> DP: should do an analysis why we made this decision at that time
10:06:23 <dape> CA: Need to look into more closely
10:06:30 <dape> [adjourned]
10:06:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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