11:59:04 RRSAgent has joined #wot 11:59:08 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-irc 11:59:11 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 11:59:32 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michel_Koster 11:59:35 chair: Koster 12:00:21 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#14_May_2025 12:01:29 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 12:01:45 rrsagent, make log public 12:01:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:01:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:04:12 dezell has joined #wot 12:04:14 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:04:21 present+ David_Ezell 12:04:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:04:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:05:04 sebastian has joined #wot 12:05:26 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:05:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:05:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:05:46 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:06:20 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:06:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:06:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:06:54 regrets+ McCool 12:07:28 matsuda has joined #wot 12:07:29 scribenick: kaz 12:07:59 topic: Guests, New Members and IEs 12:08:07 mjk: no new Members 12:08:15 q+ 12:08:21 q- 12:08:29 q+ 12:08:44 q- 12:08:52 ... 2 more IE applications 12:09:02 ... Kaz is checking with the Membership Team and PLH 12:09:04 kaz: right 12:09:07 topic: Minutes 12:09:15 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/05/07-wot-minutes.html May-7 12:09:23 mjk: (goes through the minutes) 12:10:49 ... any objections? 12:10:51 (none) 12:10:53 approved 12:11:05 topic: Quick Items 12:11:12 subtopic: Discovery 12:11:23 mjk: postponed till McCool is back 12:11:41 ... any other quick items? 12:11:43 (none) 12:11:48 topic: Notices 12:11:58 subtopic: TPAC 2025 12:12:12 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2025AprJun/0031.html Event Team's announcement 12:12:13 q+ 12:12:39 dape has joined #wot 12:13:11 kaz: group meetings and breakouts 12:13:29 ... TPAC will be held in Kobe on Nov 10-14 12:13:29 q- 12:13:40 ... should respond to the GitHub repo 12:13:54 -> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-meetings GitHub for TPAC 2025 12:13:57 topic: Meetups 12:14:01 subtopic: WoT CG 12:14:23 mjk: next meetup on June 5 12:14:41 sk: Ege was planning to join this call but seems to be a bit late 12:14:43 mjk: ok 12:14:48 subtopic: WoT JP CG 12:14:55 tm: no updates 12:15:05 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:15:16 subtopic: Smart Cities 12:15:18 q+ 12:15:54 mjk: there will be a 2.5h workshop by the Nordic Smart City CG 12:16:03 ... Kaz and Koster will join it 12:16:27 ... they're doing bunch of stuff 12:16:43 ... on the other hand, the IG's next call will be held on May 26 12:17:07 ... working on collecting resources 12:17:10 q? 12:18:11 kaz: we'd invite stakeholders to the meetings 12:18:29 ... sent invitation to key stakeholders @@@ 12:18:29 q- 12:18:35 subtopic: Cloud-Edge 12:18:39 mjk: any updates? 12:18:43 (none) 12:18:49 topic: Liaisons 12:19:00 subtopic: ECHONET 12:19:11 mjk: TD TF has related use cases 12:19:16 q+ 12:19:51 kaz: at some point, we can ask them for review about the use cases, e.g., grouping and history 12:19:54 q- 12:20:08 subtopic: Conexxus 12:20:12 mjk: any updates? 12:20:20 ... they're joining the Profile calls 12:20:43 de: actual group has stopped their work, but planning to publish documents by the end of year 12:21:02 ... still mean to clarify our needs 12:21:07 mjk: ok 12:21:21 ... communication aspects around WoT Profile 12:21:39 de: what kind of Binding would fit together as well 12:21:48 ... obviously two potential layers there 12:22:11 mjk: the guidance we have so far is... 12:22:19 ... defining Profile as constraint 12:22:47 ... then mapping for interoperability by Binding 12:23:10 ... we're hoping to get use cases 12:23:23 de: flexibility to define our standards 12:23:30 present+ Ege_Korkan 12:23:57 ... right handling of WoT would be useful to refine implementations 12:24:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:24:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:25:03 mjk: why it's different from Open API, etc., is a good question 12:25:23 ... the other important thing is connection to Ontologies 12:25:55 de: Connexus, GS1 and VCWG are working together 12:26:27 mjk: if you use modern Ontology descriptions, ... 12:26:47 de: there was now OWL, etc., in 2002 12:27:12 ... while there are various notations now 12:27:41 ... our system uses JSON Schema 12:27:57 mjk: would be interesting to have longer discussion about that 12:28:10 q+ 12:28:51 ... some of the AI systems use good meta data ontologies 12:29:03 present+ Ben_Francis 12:29:11 ... good discussion 12:29:23 q- 12:29:36 ... details to be done during the Profile calls, etc. 12:29:54 q+ 12:29:56 topic: Meetups - revisited 12:30:03 subtopic: WoT CG - revisited 12:30:21 s/subtopic: WoT CG - revisited// 12:30:24 s/topic: Meetups - revisited// 12:30:30 subtopic: OPC 12:30:38 sk: can share latest information 12:30:55 ... they're now on their review phase 12:31:05 ... at least two more meetings to be done 12:31:20 ... then they can submit an OPC Binding proposal 12:31:27 mjk: sounds great 12:32:29 sk: we can ask them about implementations too 12:32:41 ... if you're interested in joining their meetings, let me know 12:32:54 mjk: liaison with them is really good 12:33:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:33:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:33:23 q? 12:33:41 sk: node-wot implementation is also updated now 12:33:49 dp: correct 12:34:01 sk: you're welcome to try that 12:34:11 ... for OPC binding 12:34:23 s/binding/binding proposal/ 12:34:28 subtopic: ETSI 12:34:39 mjk: next meeting will be held on June 2 12:34:46 q+ 12:35:05 q- 12:35:09 kaz: right 12:35:26 ... we're collecting resources on use cases from W3C and ETSI 12:35:33 topic: Meetups - revisited 12:35:40 subtopic: WoT CG - revisited 12:35:59 ek: next meeting on June 5 12:36:07 ... visual programming with WoT 12:36:27 ... handling bluetooth, HDI and USB bindings 12:36:34 ... non-TCP protocols 12:36:46 ... very interesting approach 12:36:58 ... so wanted to explicitly mention that here 12:37:19 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/9eea7c28-e07f-4f47-9ce5-4b79f47abffe/ 12:37:29 s/https/-> https/ 12:37:39 s|ffe/|ffe/ Calendar| 12:37:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:37:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:38:02 ... btw, the CG participants are wondering about the next Plugfest 12:38:03 q+ 12:38:06 ack e 12:38:20 ... any interest in organizing one? 12:38:30 q+ 12:38:48 ... can we talk about that now? 12:40:01 kaz: there will be held TPAC 2025, so we should have one there 12:40:15 ... for that purpose, we should start discussion about the logistics, etc. 12:40:26 ack k 12:40:33 sk: are you thinking about physical one? 12:40:38 ek: possibly 12:40:55 sk: online version Plugfest would be easier to organize 12:41:05 ... but physical one would be better 12:41:18 ... would invite TUV, etc., too 12:41:33 q+ 12:41:35 ... maybe we should put this on the agenda for TPAC 12:41:47 ... possibly right before the official TPAC meeting 12:41:57 q++ 12:42:03 q- + 12:42:04 q+ 12:42:06 q- 12:42:48 kaz: agree 12:43:12 ... technically, we can start initial discussion next Wednesday given the Profile call will be bi-weekly 12:43:16 mjk: sounds great 12:43:22 ack s 12:43:22 ack k 12:44:03 ... btw, what about CG's organizing Plugfest? 12:44:09 sorry, I have to go now 12:44:17 kaz: technically, anybody can organize Plugfests :) 12:44:29 ... also we can joint their organizing Plugfest as well 12:45:21 ... maybe we should be a bit careful about the usage of "W3C Plugfest", though 12:45:26 mjk: good point 12:45:50 s/W3C/WoT/ 12:46:16 ek: think "Plugfest" is common enough 12:47:37 kaz: maybe we can simply say "WoT WG/IG Plugfest" and they can say "WoT CG Plugfest" 12:48:30 mjk: yeah, could be able to differentiate it 12:48:41 ek: so far, CG Plugfests have been very casual 12:49:31 mjk: another point around testing 12:49:47 ... we need to handle testing as well for Rec documents 12:49:53 q? 12:50:11 ek: we should restart the Plugfest/Testing calls 12:50:44 q+ 12:51:17 q- 12:51:40 kaz: I think as a starting point, the Chairs can moderate the call to discuss TPAC prep 12:51:52 q+ 12:52:12 ... and then at some point, if there is somebody interested in moderating the detailed discussion on Plugfest and Testing, we can ask that person to take over the role 12:52:15 mjk: sounds good 12:52:54 bf: regarding the slot, it's fine to use the Profile slot bi-weekly 12:53:08 ... should be checked on the case-by-case basis 12:53:11 mjk: ok 12:53:16 ... let's proceed with that plan 12:53:22 ... any other points? 12:53:29 (none) 12:53:29 ack b 12:53:39 topic: Schedule 12:53:52 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays and events 12:54:09 q+ 12:54:50 kaz: Sebastian won't be available on May 21. right? 12:54:52 mjk: ok 12:55:08 ... goes through the Cancellations section 12:55:32 ... Kaz will be unavailable on June 11-13 12:56:03 kaz: sorry but there will be a big exhibition event there 12:56:22 mjk: let's cancel the calls on Wed/Thu then 12:56:37 ... will be checked during the Chairs call next Monday 12:56:40 kaz: ok 12:56:49 topic: Policy 12:56:56 mjk: any topics for today? 12:56:57 (none) 12:57:15 topic: TF Leads 12:57:35 mjk: anybody interested in Security, Discovery, Architecture or Testing? 12:57:40 (none for now) 12:58:07 mjk: regarding the UC TF, we've decided to move the UC work to the TD TF 12:58:16 ... what is the status and plan for the UC TF itself? 12:58:24 (none) 12:58:35 q+ 12:58:38 ack k 12:59:02 tm: today's UC call was cancelled due to lack of participation 13:00:41 mjk: should we suspend the UC call? 13:00:59 tm: would like to continue the UC call itself... 13:01:27 q? 13:01:27 mjk: so you mean we're not ready for suspending the call? 13:01:30 tm: right 13:01:47 ek: just wanted to mention one thing 13:01:48 q+ 13:02:10 ... need somebody to put UCs on GitHub 13:03:29 ack e 13:03:29 ack k 13:04:00 kaz: you and McCool showed the proposed procedure during the main call 2 weeks ago 13:04:23 ... then we as the whole group made a resolution to go for generating UCs by the TD TF 13:04:41 ... so the details on the procedure to be discussed during the TD TF, e.g., today 13:05:15 [adjourned] 13:05:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:05:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:08:34 s/@@@/from related SDOs, and have got a response from Mark Fox from ISO, etc./ 13:08:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:08:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/14-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:03:58 TallTed has joined #wot 15:32:47 Zakim has left #wot 22:54:03 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 23:27:06 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 23:44:16 EgeKorkan has joined #wot