14:35:17 RRSAgent has joined #coga 14:35:21 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/05/12-coga-irc 14:35:21 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:35:22 Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 14:35:54 regrets+ eric, Jan 14:36:02 Agenda+ 14:36:27 Agenda+ actions , scedules. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.0 14:36:33 agenda? 14:37:10 Aggenda+ Ag charter 14:37:20 Agenda+ Ag charter 14:38:23 agenda order is 4, 5, 1, 2, 3 14:40:36 scribe+ EA 14:40:48 RRSAgent, publish minutes 14:40:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/12-coga-minutes.html Lisa 14:40:57 Q? 14:52:52 EA has joined #coga 14:53:06 present+ 14:59:05 Lisa has joined #coga 14:59:30 agenda? 15:00:05 RRSAgent, publish minutes 15:00:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/12-coga-minutes.html Lisa 15:02:07 next item 15:02:09 Charli has joined #coga 15:02:32 +present 15:02:38 julierawe has joined #coga 15:02:41 present+ 15:03:04 https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.0 15:04:32 Looking at Action items - section based on to list and main sprints plus different sub groups and useful links. 15:05:01 Currently - next version of Content Usable and update to issue papers. 15:07:37 The new structure proposed by the structure sub-group is the most recent update - need to gather feedback to see what works - now working on pulling together feedback - regular call on Tuesdays - taking old patterns and debating sentence structure etc in new structure. Now progressed to getting first objective completed. 15:08:22 Julie feels that moving forward is going well 15:08:35 Jennie has joined #coga 15:08:45 present+ 15:09:37 Lisa suggested need to do first guidelines - distinguishable and consistent - wondering if one should do one section or four? 15:11:27 Lisa suggested not doing the it all - first section is about design being clear - but have 4 sub-sections so make a decision as to how much to complete in one time - 11 subsections... each may take two weeks 15:14:44 Section 1.1 Design is clear and then 1.1.1 recognisable purpose and then more patterns so need to make sure a schedule can be developed that makes the process doable. 15:14:45 q+ 15:16:16 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GwIadQU2rmDwqPDeYX6PF7UjnD4D47vqRjvPysXNe-A/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.3n34ar2a7mrp 15:16:22 ack j 15:16:36 The link above is the draft version with edit notes. 15:17:42 it is more of a instuction document 15:18:03 Julie mentioned the streamlining to cut down the large sections in Content Usable. Need to show the highlest level sorted such as 1.1.1 with the 4 patterns before tacking 1.1.2 - overall look and feel so people have an idea what is being suggested 15:18:47 pressent+ tiffany 15:18:53 Top and first 4 patterns enough to get feedback. doing 12 or more patterns would be too much 15:19:19 present+ tiffany 15:19:27 q+ 15:19:34 Lisa confirmed that getting that done and into GitHub then people can see it all. 15:19:46 q+ Tiffany 15:20:11 ack tiffany 15:20:53 Tiffany agrees that keeping 1.1.1 with 4 patterns together provides a good entry to the document. 15:21:30 This would mean keeping the intro as part of the work as well as 1.1.1 15:22:07 Getting icons may take longer 15:22:16 ack next 15:23:17 Jennie if there is a section that links together with an original section may also need to be dealt with - allowing people to learn how items will be linked together. 15:23:45 There will be areas that will be linking to other areas so need to recognise these such as the 'How to' section etc 15:25:42 Jennie just felt there needed to be examples of extra information even if not all sections are working - this would allow for some evidence how linked pieces of information are to be found from the mass. 15:26:29 One objective will be drafted in the coming weeks - early June for four patterns and then July / August for the flowthrough to be working - not perfect so will still have editors notes 15:27:09 q+ Tiffany 15:27:15 Lisa then suggested the need to ask internationlisation and others for feedback. 15:27:28 q? 15:28:27 If completed by August - publishing is possible but we will have to go through AG and APA - need to allow for these happenings 15:28:28 ack next 15:29:27 Tiffany mentioned that several people are also on WCAG 3.0 - should this be the highest priority? 15:30:29 Reviews from other subgroups including mental health. 15:32:49 q+ 15:32:56 Issue papers are research papers - new module structure - not yet on GitHub - need a couple of papers such as conversational voice systems... Becca was issuing online safety- ready for GitHub. Technology assisted navigation just needs user needs and others are being updated. Hopefully more coming in June / July 15:33:19 ack next 15:33:54 Jennie supported decision making - John Kirkwood - Len to please reach out to Jennie and John K to review 15:36:28 Triggers not first draft, Acknowledgements to be done June / July - References still need to be sorted - needs tidying up. 15:36:47 any objections to getting refrences done correctly 15:39:57 Charli offered to do an editorial pass over references. W3 referencing has been reset and Lisa will check 15:43:33 q? 15:45:51 next item 15:45:58 AG charter discussion background info: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWpyH5STGe853iin7rp9TvSxDgZoSXKaJ9b6o8zHVFc/edit?slide=id.p#slide=id.p 15:46:08 Julie AG charter - shared above link 15:48:30 Q+ 15:50:16 drafting smart goals for WCAG 3 - AG renewing 2 year charter - discussing in the coming weeks. Need to agree WCAG 3.0 requirements which emphasise the need for coga issues. Now making the requirements more robust - specific and measureable. Thinking of using acronym SMART as used in special education - achievable and measurable maybe used in 15:50:16 similar ways. 15:51:58 Lisa is concerned that the whole concept of SMART may not work in the way a large organisation may wish to pin down specifics. 15:52:30 q+ 15:54:11 discusion thread https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306 15:54:24 Jennie said this is about the charter and at a high level and they are providing examples with more nuanced in some of the requirements so can look at how some things only apply in certain settings such as differences in languages or particular aspects of some disabilities that are particular to a minority. 15:54:29 goggle doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1izD_3MNyj_w0eprdihkxOioreFA9qHHZAiu8isJQEzQ/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.v38v8iewungm 15:54:34 q- 15:55:34 There is also a chance to comment on the document - this is possible on the right hand side of the table within the document - Need to share thoughts now. 15:56:49 Q= 15:56:55 Q+ 15:57:02 ack next 15:58:39 Jennie asked if the SMART way of approaching this in terms of contributions relating to coga requirements 15:59:10 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:59:27 Lisa felt this was very important as once the charter has been written there may be no come back if something is missed relating to coga specifics. 16:01:08 * Got to drop - sorry. Have a good week! 16:01:38 Jennie reiterated the need to read the right hand column and check the requirements and make sure the goals are inclusive to coga. The authors of AG charter and fleshing out with examples and saying how and when things will need to happen in WCAG 3 which will be organised in a very different way. Items will be set out in a much more granular way. 16:02:33 Julie suggested that as it is a long document maybe more meetings to discuss content will be necessary. 16:03:26 Julie asked if there were any more questions - now it is important to raise concerns although this is not the last chance to make suggestions 16:03:49 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:06:28 https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/#modules 16:30:02 Lisa has joined #coga