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13:37:49 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:37:49 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:37:49 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/04/25-forms-minutes
13:38:23 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025May/0001
13:38:29 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:02:02 <Steven> Topic: Steven add override condition for help hint and alert
14:02:02 <Steven> <https://www.w3.org/2025/04/25-forms-minutes#4885>
14:02:02 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025May/0000
14:04:06 <Steven> Steven: UI Common in a way is not really common. Should we rename, or do something else?
14:05:03 <Steven> Erik: We call it HHLA
14:05:58 <Steven> Steven: Of course alert on an item or a case has no role, though it does no harm.
14:06:06 <Steven> Steven: Rename?
14:07:25 <Steven> Steven: They are all labelling elements, just one is always visible, and three under certain states
14:08:01 <Steven> Erik: Aria uses other terms for the things, but I don;t see that they have an encompassing name for all of them.
14:08:36 <Steven> Steven: COmm description elements?
14:08:42 <Steven> s/Omm/ommon/
14:08:46 <Steven> s/;/'/
14:09:18 <Steven> Erik: Description could work or similar.
14:09:56 <Steven> ACTION: Suggest name for descriptive elements
14:10:26 <Steven> Topic: Writing to nodes
14:11:12 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_setvalue_Element
14:11:39 <Steven> Steven: I want to check we agree
14:11:47 <Steven> ... NO writing to the root node
14:11:53 <Steven> s/No/
14:12:14 <Steven> ... namespace etc, is undefined
14:13:53 <Steven> ... how about action-error if for instance <input> writes to a node with children
14:14:09 <Steven> Erik: No it shouldn't be action-error
14:14:47 <Steven> Erik: Namespace nodes are weird.
14:15:40 <Steven> ... maybe gone from xpath already
14:16:40 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:17:49 <Steven> STeven: Next meeting 23rd, 30th, none on 6th June
14:18:06 <Steven> s/ST/St/
14:18:12 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:18:23 <Steven> Present: Steven, Erik, Alain
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14:19:06 <Steven> S?NO/No/
14:19:59 <Steven> i/[ADJOURN]/... my XForms tutorial got accepted for MarkupUK/
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14:20:27 <Steven> s/NO/No/
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14:21:00 <Steven> s/NO/No/
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