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14:49:02 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
14:49:02 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
14:49:17 <AvneeshSingh> present+
14:49:26 <AvneeshSingh> chair: AvneeshSingh
14:49:57 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Next steps after the release of Accessibility metadata display Guide for digital publications 2.0
14:50:18 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Improvements required in the localization repository:
14:50:35 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Other work items for the accessibility task force of Publishing CG?
14:50:48 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business.
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15:04:55 <AvneeshSingh> zaim, next agendum
15:04:55 <gpellegrino> elizabeth: I'm new, I'm from eBOUND Canada, I'm happy to be here
15:05:01 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:05:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Next steps after the release of Accessibility metadata display Guide for digital publications 2.0 -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:05:30 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: we achieved a big milestone on publishing the Accessibility metadata display Guide for digital publications 2.0
15:05:44 <gpellegrino> ... not it's the time to plan our future work
15:06:01 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues
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15:06:15 <gpellegrino> ... we already have some issues in the tracker
15:06:22 <gautierchomel> q+
15:06:25 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:06:34 <AvneeshSingh> ack gaut
15:06:38 <gpellegrino> ... any other issues?
15:06:48 <gpellegrino> gautierchomel: I think we have an isue with placeholders
15:07:01 <gpellegrino> ... in strings, it's the most important issue for me
15:07:23 <gpellegrino> q+
15:07:50 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:08:10 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: will the next version be a minor version?
15:08:26 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: for sure it will not be 3.0, maybe 2.1 or 2.0.1
15:08:32 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:09:18 <George> q+
15:09:28 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:09:43 <gpellegrino> q+
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15:11:02 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:12:10 <gpellegrino> George: I think we have cases in which no information is displayed because of broken metadata
15:12:19 <gautierchomel> q+
15:12:28 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: I think it's important to get feedback from implementers
15:13:03 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:13:06 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: we can ask the implementors we know, to get some feedback
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15:14:07 <gpellegrino> ... at the same time we have some "simple" issues in the tracker that we can fix
15:14:08 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:14:32 <gpellegrino> gautierchomel: the issue that was raised by Hadrien was the same I mentioned about placeholders
15:15:00 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: what about crosswalk on different metadata standards?
15:15:20 <gpellegrino> ChrisOliverOttawa: we are working on it, it took us a little bit of time
15:15:33 <George> q+
15:15:35 <gpellegrino> ... but now we're working on MARC 21
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15:16:43 <CharlesL1> q+
15:17:12 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: There was also a work in IFLA for having accessibility metadata about DAISY in MARC 21
15:17:18 <AvneeshSingh> ack georg
15:18:07 <gpellegrino> George: in the BISG call today, we spoke about making an explainer on accessibility metadata for publishers, librarians, etc.
15:18:58 <gpellegrino> ... there is a question on how to pass accessibility metadata to libraries
15:19:55 <gpellegrino> ChrisOliverOttawa: there is a work in IFLA for defining terminology that can be understand in different languages and by different audience
15:20:12 <CharlesL1> https://w3c.github.io/a11y-discov-vocab/crosswalk/
15:20:17 <AvneeshSingh> ack charl
15:20:54 <gpellegrino> CharlesL1: We're working to improve the crosswalk
15:22:41 <gpellegrino> ... we have EPUB, ONIX, EPUB to MARC 21 and ONIX to MARC
15:22:42 <gpellegrino> q+
15:23:04 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:24:19 <ChrisOliverOttawa> p+
15:24:26 <ChrisOliverOttawa> q+
15:24:41 <Chris_ONIX> q+
15:24:53 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: I see a big problem in the proliferating of metadata standards
15:24:57 <gautierchomel> q+
15:25:17 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:25:37 <gpellegrino> CharlesL1: I see the issue, we added the metadata as suggested by the people in the community group
15:26:37 <gpellegrino> ChrisOliverOttawa: I don't think there is a desire to create differences, MARC is a format for sharing information
15:27:06 <George> q+
15:27:28 <gpellegrino> ... I think that having definitions is important
15:28:01 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: what's the way forward on this crosswalk?
15:28:03 <gpellegrino> q+
15:28:57 <gpellegrino> Chris_ONIX: the proposal for using these columns is from Chris Carr, we may ask him
15:29:35 <gpellegrino> ... on the ONIX and Schema.org part I think we're nearly there
15:29:41 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:29:53 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:29:58 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:30:50 <gpellegrino> gautierchomel: not having the crosswalk is an issue at the moment
15:31:17 <gpellegrino> ... we're seeing it in France, with public libraries
15:32:39 <gpellegrino> ... for the technical part, I think we should find a way to make it more readable
15:33:02 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:34:30 <AvneeshSingh> ack geor
15:35:38 <gpellegrino> George: in the guidelines we have compact and descriptive statements, and techniques referencing to them, will this work with MARC?
15:37:06 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:37:20 <gpellegrino> ... second question on the explainer for educators, librarians, publishers; I'm not sure how to write something for librarians at the moment
15:37:21 <gpellegrino> q-
15:38:18 <gpellegrino> ChrisOliverOttawa: I may put you in contact with chair of the working group working on terminology in IFLA
15:40:16 <gpellegrino> George: BISG will make a blog post in June and endorse the guidelines for displaying metadata, and something similar should be done for libraries
15:42:01 <gpellegrino> ChrisOliverOttawa: It's not that simple, some softwares for managing libraries are quite "static" and it's not simple to add new types of metadata
15:42:49 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:43:31 <gpellegrino> ... there is also a work for managing the source of metadata in MARC
15:44:38 <gpellegrino> George: I know there was a proposal of using the display viewer made by DAISY and use the output text as a note field in MARC
15:44:55 <gpellegrino> q+
15:45:04 <gpellegrino> q-
15:45:49 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:45:49 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Improvements required in the localization repository: -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:46:30 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: we have the localization repository with all the JSON localized in different languages
15:46:43 <gpellegrino> ... do we need some improvements?
15:47:12 <gautierchomel> q+
15:47:14 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:47:15 <gpellegrino> ... there is an open PR, may we merge it?
15:47:26 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:48:08 <gpellegrino> gautierchomel: I have another PR for fixing small things in the localization viewer
15:48:28 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:48:40 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:48:40 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Other work items for the accessibility task force of Publishing CG? -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:48:40 <JonasLillqvist> q+
15:49:24 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:49:29 <gpellegrino> JonasLillqvist: in the JSON file, in the metadata section, there is a "variant: canonical"
15:49:30 <gautierchomel> q+
15:49:37 <gpellegrino> ... it's in all JSON files
15:49:43 <AvneeshSingh> ack gaut
15:49:48 <gpellegrino> ... should we use another term?
15:50:11 <gpellegrino> gautierchomel: we over-engineered this work
15:50:31 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:50:40 <gpellegrino> ... I think that metadata is not useful anymore...
15:51:14 <CharlesL1> q+
15:51:16 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:51:26 <AvneeshSingh> ack charl
15:51:29 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: any other work that we think is a priority and that we should take over?
15:51:41 <George> q+
15:51:47 <gpellegrino> CharlesL1: what about best practices for image descriptions?
15:52:06 <AvneeshSingh> ack charl
15:52:12 <AvneeshSingh> ack geor
15:53:44 <gpellegrino> George: we have some issues open about the "back button" in reading systems, the citation tools
15:54:12 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: I think we should think about all these type of bestpractices
15:54:15 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:54:50 <gpellegrino> ... thank you to everyone, let's meet in two weeks
15:55:40 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/08-pcg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
15:55:51 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make logs public
15:56:45 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, leave
15:56:45 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, mgarrish, Madeleine, George, gpellegrino, gautierchomel, CharlesL
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