16:57:48 RRSAgent has joined #pdf-aam 16:57:52 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/05/07-pdf-aam-irc 16:57:54 zakim, start meeting 16:57:54 RRSAgent, make logs Public 16:57:55 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Daniel 16:58:22 Meeting: PDF-AAM Teleconference 17:07:36 zakk has joined #pdf-aam 17:07:41 +present 17:08:04 zakim, take up next 17:08:04 agendum 1 -- -> https://github.com/w3c/pdf-aam/issues/7 Import PDF Association spreadsheet into HTML tables -- taken up [from Daniel] 17:08:27 scribe: Daniel 17:08:52 Paul has joined #pdf-aam 17:08:57 Zach: We've been talking on the PDF Association side. I think we should do this in smaller chunks 17:09:31 ... Hard for some of them to monitor this through HTML tables 17:10:07 ... Decidded we'd be doing 10 - 12 table exports, as I can run my export scripts through smaller batches 17:10:35 ... We've been working on our ssheet to match with the values on the HTML tables 17:10:53 ... Idea is to start from structural values 17:12:09 ... Saw some of your comments, for example the ToC repeated six times 17:12:50 ... Paul, what structure elements you think are good to import? 17:13:32 Paul: Document, list, table, paragraph, figure, figure formula, 17:13:55 Zach: Also ones that we are sure of the mappings. 17:14:09 ... These would help ups get an established process 17:14:24 Daniel: +1 to low-hanging fruits 17:15:20 Zach: This will also help us determine the roles and attributes from the individual tables 17:16:19 ... We still don't have one complete on the W3C document, priority should be to have some complete 17:17:46 Paul: PDF association next meeting is 20 May. I have in the agenda to have a look at what I've done and look for a path forward 17:18:19 Zach: I still can use the export sccript to get an 80% completion of what needs to be on the W3C documents 17:20:50 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g1Khanw4PbBpcNBqwyyDXyyWfMHARpW9/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=112723490806728429572&rtpof=true&sd=true 17:20:51 Daniel: +1 to go for those which are complete. Could you share a link to your working spreadsheet? 17:21:56 Zach: I've removed a few columns from the old one to just what is required 17:22:16 ... As we got more feedback from you all at the W3C side we've realized some of this infor was not needed 17:22:39 ... Also the postprocessing of the index file adds some of the info and we weren't aware of that 17:24:16 Zach: People are used to working on the spreadsheet, so we need to find a middle ground 17:26:06 Zach: Maybe we should first focus on paragraph and div. For div there are several cases, similarly to what the `a` element has in HTML 17:27:00 Paul: Should we include one more where there is not an HTML but not an ARIA role? 17:27:05 Zach: Yes, that's a good one 17:27:40 Zach: Maybe for next PDF association meeting we should focus on creating these HTML tables and have them ready for next W3C meeting 17:28:37 rrsagent, draft meetings 17:28:37 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft meetings', Daniel. Try /msg RRSAgent help 18:14:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:14:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/05/07-pdf-aam-minutes.html Daniel