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13:17:39 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:17:41 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:17:41 <janina> agenda+ [New on TR](https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/155/views/1?filterQuery=label%3AFPWD+label%3A%22agenda%2B%22)
13:17:44 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:17:46 <janina> agenda+ [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
13:17:49 <janina> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
13:17:52 <janina> agenda+ Actions check-in
13:17:54 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:17:57 <janina> agenda+ Be done
13:18:08 <janina>  Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:18:13 <janina> Date 30 Apr 2025
13:18:18 <janina> Chair: Matthew
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13:43:40 <matatk> agenda?
13:43:55 <matatk> present+
13:44:02 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
13:44:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
13:57:02 <janina> present+
13:57:08 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
13:57:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/30-apa-minutes.html janina
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14:06:32 <janina> scribe+
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14:06:56 <matatk> agenda?
14:07:02 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:07:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:07:11 <matatk> subtopic: Re-chartering
14:07:36 <matatk> Latest draft: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2025/charter.html
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14:09:17 <matatk> Pronunciation bit, for context: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pronunciation/2025Apr/0008.html
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14:10:37 <janina> matatk: Reviews output from Spoken Presentation for our new Charter ...
14:11:10 <janina> matatk: Proposes 'Best Practices for Achieving " based on existing standards ...
14:11:28 <Fredrik> We#ve heretofore been brilliant at giving names and acronyms to brilliant documents (the AURs come to mind). Why not the gap analysis annd so forth? Or can one give names retroactively when the charter is already chartered?
14:12:19 <Fredrik> Proven Practices for Predictable Pronunciation.
14:13:14 <janina> [group tries different titles ...]
14:16:19 <janina> RESOLVED: Best Practices for Author-Controlled Pronunciation
14:17:12 <janina> matatk: proposing tentative normative ...
14:17:34 <janina> matatk: A CSS extract ...
14:17:42 <janina> matatk: extensions for existing normative
14:17:49 <janina> matatk: CSS Break is one
14:21:05 <janina> matatk: Notes we RESOlVED #4 from email above
14:21:13 <janina> matatk: We're now talking 2 and 3
14:23:06 <janina> matatk: AAM would be likely HTML AAM extensions
14:23:18 <Roy_Ruoxi> example： https://www.w3.org/2025/02/wg-fedid.html
14:23:42 <janina> matatk: Noting only names are missing; reinforces these are tentative
14:27:17 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:27:17 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [New on TR](https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/155/views/1?filterQuery=label%3AFPWD+label%3A%22agenda%2B%22) -- taken up [from janina]
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14:27:39 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Web Cryptography Level 2
14:27:39 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://github.com/w3c/apa-longituidinal-tracking/issues/21
14:27:39 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/webcrypto-2/
14:28:18 <janina> matatk: Expects out of scope for us?
14:28:40 <JonCohn> present+
14:28:47 <janina> janina: More low level than out of scope -- especially in API
14:28:57 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Subresource Integrity
14:28:57 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker:  https://github.com/w3c/apa-longituidinal-tracking/issues/22
14:28:57 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/sri-2/
14:29:21 <janina> matatk: yeah! A dark-mode style sheet!
14:30:09 <janina> Fredrik: Raises hand to read
14:30:16 <janina> matatk: Too low level?
14:30:29 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://github.com/w3c/apa-longituidinal-tracking/issues/22
14:30:29 <janina> Fredrik: Would like to check
14:31:18 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Privacy-Preserving Attribution: Level 1
14:31:18 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://github.com/w3c/apa-longituidinal-tracking/issues/23
14:31:18 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/privacy-preserving-attribution/
14:32:32 <janina> matatk: Expects an approach to start moving away from proprietary cookies
14:33:12 <janina> matatk: The ecommerce site wants to know what leads to sales; so challenge is to not identify an individual--just the sale
14:33:40 <janina> matatk: Goal is to balance user's privacy perogative and commerce data gathering
14:33:52 <janina> matatk: So an aggregation approach
14:34:02 <janina> matatk: How effective are my advert campaigns?
14:34:25 <janina> matatk: From Mozilla and Meta ...
14:35:20 <janina> matatk: Has a bit less than the Google approach
14:35:47 <janina> matatk: Don't believe there's an a11y angle here
14:36:00 <janina> matatk: Other than general increased privacy
14:37:12 <janina> matatk: This current proposal may be new, but approach has been under dev in a cg for sometime
14:38:20 <janina> matatk: Notes this goes along with the desire to bring horizontal review to CG developed tech as that tech moves into adoption
14:38:53 <janina> matatk: Including comm with TAG for hor-rev
14:39:07 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: CSS Gap Decorations Module Level 1
14:39:07 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://github.com/w3c/apa-longituidinal-tracking/issues/24
14:39:07 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-gaps-1/
14:39:09 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:39:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/30-apa-minutes.html janina
14:39:40 <janina> matatk: Asks Paul?
14:39:51 <janina> PaulG: Unsure this has even been discussed yet ...
14:41:02 <janina> PaulG: Seems essentially white space, so no particular a11y impact?
14:41:31 <matatk> q?
14:41:37 <janina> PaulG: Willing to hear otherwise from anyone?
14:42:04 <janina> matatk: Notes this will come back via HR
14:42:16 <Roy_Ruoxi> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:42:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/30-apa-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi
14:42:28 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:42:28 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:42:56 <matatk> subtopic: Audio Session
14:42:56 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/108
14:42:56 <matatk> Due: 2025-04-24
14:43:03 <matatk> scribe+
14:43:45 <matatk> janina: I took on trying to figure this out. Struck me that they're figuring out how to balance all things audio, but there's no consideration of TTS. At least we need an accessibility considerations section, saying there may be TTS, which will be critical to managing their audio environment.
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14:44:05 <matatk> ... But just saying 'be careful about TTS' seems insufficient. What can we point them to?
14:44:17 <matatk> ... Do we look for TTS?
14:45:08 <janina> matatk: Goes back to Author Proposes ...
14:45:19 <janina> matatk: Maybe we file an issue to figure this out with them?
14:46:11 <janina> janina: I can draft an issue
14:46:20 <janina> matatk: Anyone with ideas on starting this dialog?
14:46:24 <janina> [crickets]
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14:46:50 <matatk> subtopic: Web Neural Network API
14:46:50 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/105
14:46:50 <matatk> Due: 2025-06-20
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14:47:41 <matatk> q?
14:48:29 <janina> chiace: Notes this assigned already, her, Dr Keith, Janina
14:48:35 <Neha> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/350
14:50:15 <janina> janina: Thanks her for suggestions!
14:50:32 <janina> matatk: We can continue discussing, and perhaps plan a discussion next week, or soon after
14:51:41 <matatk> agenda?
14:51:57 <matatk> zakim, take up item 4
14:51:57 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from janina]
14:52:04 <matatk> subtopic: [menu] define orientation attribute
14:52:04 <matatk> source: openui/open-ui#1201
14:52:04 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/228
14:53:04 <matatk> subtopic: How OS font settings affect UA font-size (medium)
14:53:04 <matatk> source: UNKNOWN!
14:53:04 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/227
14:53:47 <janina> paul: First round was what to name it; though discussion of what it is is far more interesting!
14:54:03 <janina> paul: Giving CSS a variable to understand scale of OS font choices
14:54:21 <janina> janina: Also last week's conversations!
14:54:37 <janina> paul: Building to parity across platforms--a good thing
14:54:45 <janina> paul: Most needed phps on IOS!
14:55:16 <janina> matatk: Notes our emerging way to flag everyone who needs flagging ...
14:55:25 <janina> paul: Before you label ...
14:55:40 <janina> paul: So far about naming, but it's what follows we'll want to track and comment
14:55:55 <janina> matatk: Anything at the moment?
14:56:06 <janina> matatk: Thumbs Up to Fantasie?
14:56:14 <janina> paul: will happen anyway
14:57:54 <janina> zakim, take up item 8
14:57:54 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Be done -- taken up [from janina]
14:58:09 <janina> zakim, end meeting
14:58:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been matatk, janina, chiace, Roy_Ruoxi, Demelza, PaulG, Neha, Fredrik, JonCohn
14:58:11 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:58:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/30-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:58:18 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:00:55 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:00:55 <RRSAgent> I see no action items