13:56:02 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 13:56:06 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-td-irc 13:56:11 meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1 13:56:15 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 14:02:41 Mizushima has joined #wot-td 14:05:25 present+ Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:05:57 q+ 14:08:53 q- 14:09:10 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 14:09:22 topic: Logistics 14:09:39 kaz: note that the Japanese Golden Week actually starts on April 29 14:09:51 ... and ends on May 6 14:10:08 ... people may take additional off on May 7-9 also, though 14:10:14 ek: ok 14:10:29 ... in that case, we should cancel the TD calls next week 14:11:54 cris has joined #wot-td 14:12:10 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#April_23-24%2C_2025 14:12:13 topic: Minutes 14:12:27 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html Apr-17 14:12:32 ek: (goes through the minutes) 14:12:38 minutes approved 14:12:45 rrsagent, make log public 14:12:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:12:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:13:18 topic: Binding Registry and Terminology 14:13:46 ->https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143 14:13:46 https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143#issuecomment-2812978510 14:14:20 s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143 Binding Issue 143 - "Protocol Binding" vs. "Binding Template"| 14:15:23 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Apr/0005.html email discussion on member-wot-wg (Member-only) 14:15:41 ek: (skims the discussion on GitHub so far) 14:19:05 q+ 14:19:07 q+ 14:20:20 mjk has joined #wot-td 14:20:43 q? 14:20:48 kaz: @@@ 14:20:56 ek: yeah 14:21:40 ... what we need to handle includes these three points (JSON-LD document instance, registry entry, name for the registry) 14:22:07 ca: I have the same concern 14:22:14 ... don't really the question here 14:22:21 s/really/really understand/ 14:22:55 ... maybe need some more clarification 14:23:01 ... think I'd agree with Kaz 14:23:13 ... every time, we have new concept 14:23:24 ... and get much confusion 14:23:33 ... should put everybody on the same pae 14:23:37 s/pae/page/ 14:24:16 ... got some impression that all the people don't really have the same image about this issue 14:25:03 ... we probably need to continue some more discussion 14:25:11 ... would agree with Ege's last comment also 14:25:27 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143#issuecomment-2823843978 Ege's last comment for Issue 143 14:25:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:25:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:25:41 q? 14:25:43 ack k 14:25:45 ack c 14:26:17 ek: ok 14:26:56 ... sometimes some people tend to use a bit different terminology 14:27:31 ... we should clarify entities we want to use, and then clarify what kind of term to be applied to which entity/concept 14:27:58 q? 14:28:40 ... probably we should check with the whole group during the upcoming WoT main call as well 14:29:05 ... Kaz, the next main call will be held in two weeks given the Japanese Golden week? 14:29:07 kaz: think so 14:29:25 ... will check with the WoT Chairs by email 14:29:31 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Apr/0009.html 14:29:49 s/http/-> http/ 14:30:09 s/html/html Ege's message about five concepts to be defined (Member-only) 14:30:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:30:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:31:57 q+ 14:32:11 ek: (goes through the message) 14:32:20 ca: I think we're getting there 14:32:24 ... that is a god summary 14:33:15 ek: should mention validation also 14:33:38 ... technically, WoT Profile could be introduced 14:33:51 q+ 14:34:09 ca: looks fine 14:34:12 ack c 14:34:40 ek: (copies the concepts to the GitHub issue) 14:35:20 ack k 14:35:56 kaz: tx for the discussion so far 14:36:39 ... but having the discussion both on the GitHub and the ML is a bit confusing 14:37:04 ... so would suggest we have the technical detailed discussion on the GitHub side only 14:37:09 ek: ah, yes 14:37:44 s/only/only. actually, your copying the content from the ML to the GitHub is useful for that purpose :)/ 14:37:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:37:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:38:50 ... (and updates the comments on the GitHub side) 14:39:18 chair: Ege, Koster 14:40:43 s/@@@/Tx for the discussion so far. As I already mentioned last week, I'd suggest we clarify related concepts and entities to be defined around "WoT Binding", and think about what kind of term to be applied to which./ 14:41:09 (some more discussion about the concepts and terms) 14:41:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:41:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:46:50 q? 14:54:15 ek: we should look into the definitions within the other specs, e.g., WoT Architecture 14:54:54 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture11/ WoT Architecture 1.1 14:55:32 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-thing-description11/ WoT Thing Description 1.1 14:55:59 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-profile/ WoT Profile 14:56:05 q? 14:56:07 q+ 14:56:19 q- 14:56:40 kaz: this discussion is very useful for our document refactoring as well :) 14:56:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:56:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:58:26 ek: (adds links for the terminology from those specs) 14:59:05 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143#issuecomment-2824603550 Ege's updated comments on the GitHub Issue 143 14:59:40 ? 14:59:44 s/?// 14:59:45 ? 14:59:47 s/?// 14:59:49 q? 15:00:23 topic: AOB 15:00:56 ek: seems we need to change the name of the GitHub repository for the WoT Registry based on the latest discussion 15:01:22 ... would like to discuss new items like data mapping and manageable affordance 15:02:17 ... also would get a resolution to work on use cases and user stories 15:02:21 [adjourned] 15:02:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:02:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz